JAGging has evolved. The hype catalyst message board posts have been a staple of DiS for some time now, long enough for patterns to be seen. Looking back at those who've generated the biggest number of responses (the JAGs and Craine Trains of this world) and reference, there seems to be a few common themes about them that help cause their plethora of responses, keeping them buoyant at the top left of the DiS front page.
1. Bad grammar / spelling mistakes
Everyone loves to be a grammar Nazi. It's a fantastic way to counter an opinion without actually responding to any of their original points to give the illusion of a victory. When replying this way to a JAG, it's an easy way to express your dissatisfaction towards the original poster without having felt that you've wasted too much time doing so.
2. Lying / Patronising
This one's an extension of the pedantry from the last point really. If the grammar retort fails to thwart the interest in the original post, the disgust at the idea that someone's lying to you on an internet message board can also keep a post alive way past its sell by date. Whether it be the original poster claiming to have "stumbled upon" a band, being an industry insider giving you a philanthropical tip on the "next big thing" or going the full Craine route and creating a sub community of lies, replies and identities until everyone gets so confused that the only thing they can agree upon is the fact that a lot of people lie on the internet.
3. Persistent replies
Once again I'm bleeding out from the previous point here, but if all the community has to go on is one original post, it won't take long before they tire of the source material. By replying with open-ended responses that utilise the points mentioned here, the whole thread can spring back into life.
What the JAGger cares about most is eliciting a response. It doesn't matter whether it's positive or negative, but as long as that post remains high in the postings, there's a greater chance more people will see it. If some replies are positive, which there are more likely to be the more replies there are, then more people will click the original link. If all replies are negative then morbid curiosity or sympathy or simply being in on the joke will still get them to have a listen regardless.
So when I see posts such as "new artist gonna be big in 2009" with the same cycle of replies (albeit usually damn funny when from DanielKelly or Roytor-Hatford and some others), you encourage the JAGgers.
The worst part is, I suspect most people are perfectly aware of this, but the therapeutic feeling they can get from dispelling their vitriol towards a hate character who is acceptable to dislike throughout the board community is comforting to them.
Go on, admit it. You all love the JAG.
i refuse to listen to bands that do 2.
that is all.
In that case you'll miss out on this great band I discovered on the internet last week...
And then you'll be sorry when they're bigger than Ultrasound...
bigger than Ultrasound ?
The singer must be eating a lot...
I realised after I'd posted I'd accidentally set that up...
But do you reply to their threads?
Keeping the dream alive?
I've got that song in my head now...
By which I mean this song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdX3D_2h8Pk
I always thought it was Paul McCartney for some reason...
I think what you mean is
http://xkcd.com/386/
JAGging
is great, especially when the JAGger in question compares their band to The Pigeon Detectives.
My favourite JAG remains the Craine one.
JAGging provides everyone with entertainment, so I fully encourage, particularly if they adhere to number 2. There's nothing better than clicking on their profile to see 'posts: 1.'
ok, i'm new, are these boards searchable?
can someone post a link to the infamous 'craine' JAG? i've got some time to kill...
Go on
Google and put 'disforums craine' in, you should get it then.
cheers...
that is all.
The originals
JAG: http://www.drownedinsound.com/articles/280135
Craine: http://www.drownedinsound.com/articles/2631036
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...sorry, had to do it. I, for one, am an honest Craine fan. I think it is highly unfair of you to be attacking anyone in the manner you have. EVERYONE is on here for a reason, and in this case, that reason is to generate interest in Craine. This is, after all, A MUSIC FORUM. What better place to discuss a prospective up and coming band? Fact is, there's a certain criteria you have to meet in order to even GET a gig in DC. As fellow music lovers, do you HONESTLY think it's viable to make a judgement on a ANY band by listening to just 3/4 of their songs? Just seems to me that you are being slightly narrow minded! I have seen this band play live several times - including a very successful performance at Clapham Grand - and each performance offers something different. Their stage presence is second to none and at EVERY gig, they ARE a hit. And no, they're not a joke in Sheffield. You're talking out of your arse there.
I thought this forum was to DISCUSS music, not just DISS.
I am looking forward to seeing CRAINE play Dublin Castle - and not just PLAYING, but actually blowing the crowd away. Again.
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...sorry, had to do it. I, for one, am an honest Craine fan. I think it is highly unfair of you to be attacking anyone in the manner you have. EVERYONE is on here for a reason, and in this case, that reason is to generate interest in Craine. This is, after all, A MUSIC FORUM. What better place to discuss a prospective up and coming band? Fact is, there's a certain criteria you have to meet in order to even GET a gig in DC. As fellow music lovers, do you HONESTLY think it's viable to make a judgement on a ANY band by listening to just 3/4 of their songs? Just seems to me that you are being slightly narrow minded! I have seen this band play live several times - including a very successful performance at Clapham Grand - and each performance offers something different. Their stage presence is second to none and at EVERY gig, they ARE a hit. And no, they're not a joke in Sheffield. You're talking out of your arse there.
I thought this forum was to DISCUSS music, not just DISS.
I am looking forward to seeing CRAINE play Dublin Castle - and not just PLAYING, but actually blowing the crowd away. Again.
^ This ^
Linkage please, it sounds like it could be an amusing read.
great stuff...
that was pretty special, she/he just kept on coming.
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http://www.drownedinsound.com/articles/2631036
You really HAVE to read the interview...
http://www.glasswerk.co.uk/printview.php?id=2006
So many favourites!
"I went through a number of names – Rain, Refrain – then just suddenly thought ‘Craine’."
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"No, no pomp and ceremony, just something you could raise up a flagpole and have people salute."
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"We always keep writing though cos we’re never satisfied with our set"
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"how does someone of your years write a song like that?"
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"I tend to go on almost a menstrual songwriting cycle. I don’t write every day, I feel like I have to write every sort of six weeks"
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"I think, with influences, I grew up with a lot of ... middle of the road stuff. I was drip fed these bands, and it’s not done me any harm at all."
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"People come up to us saying “what was this song” and “what was that song”, and that’s how it is."
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"I’ve always stuck to a few things in life – one’s not to marry a girl with the same name as a capital city, and the other is that I raise everything up the flagpole and at the end of the day some fucker’ll salute it."
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"Scott: I was fearing for my life because very few bands have keys or piano players any more, you know? So it’s my ambition to make it cool again.
Interviewer: Well you’ve got people like the Killers with keyboards...
Steve: I think that’s great, I’m glad they’ve come along."
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"instead of for someone to say “Here’s a million pound deal cos you can hold a middle C for five seconds”. For me that’s nothing."
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"I think the last big proper band for me were Oasis, that had identifiable characters. You had your Bonehead, and Liam and Noel, and people can relate to each one. But the bands now…I couldn’t tell you hardly any of Franz Ferdinand."
Point 3's a very good mentality that a lot of bands could learn from.
Some of the rest is quite amusing though.
The Craine one is something special
The JAG one more of a time and place.
This one today's been pretty good. The original poster just keeps playing innocent but periodically replies to pretty much everything to bump it back up again:
http://www.drownedinsound.com/articles/3166940
My favourite type of JAG
is when someone sets up a thread with a title like, 'Best myspace band?' or 'Best bands for 2009' that are blatantly a plug, and then some other idiot jagger, some 50 replies after everyone's mocked the original post, tries to add their own little jag to the party. Like this:
http://www.drownedinsound.com/articles/3172612#r3173086
The Why Must I Cry Youtube link
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why must i crrrrry!
genius
What I want to know is this -
have you ever stood next to someone at a gig and heard them say 'and to think, I didn't even know this band existed until I saw that link to their myspace in a JAG. and now they are my favourite band and I buy all their records and fellate them at every opportunity...'
I think I may copy this straight across to that 'Johnny Borrel Produced' timewaster.
Ha ha
I've never heard of Jagging before, and after a momentary sense of despondency to realise that even the DiS community boards are not sacred, i clicked through chuff's favourite jag link and am reassured once again.
I mean, it's so hilariously transparently written by some cunt paid to promote a band, cos only industry people even talk like that...and the replies are fucking brilliant, it makes me wish i spent more time on this board mocking people...coldglasseye's comment was the winner.... so i feel instantly reassured that people are still more intelligent than that....at least for another year or two until we're all fucking dumbed down by secretly GM food and tv phones x
I don't actually have a point to make...i'm just typing..x
You know
I first read the JAG and Craines links posted above when at work and had to close down the pages due to thinking I was going to burst with laughter.
Now I'm at home I have had the opportunity to LOL my baps off.
Thanks, DiS.
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