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Math-Rock Family Tree: exploring the roots of Foals

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by Mike Diver

Back in February, one DiS messageboarder was moved to say to the masses: “I challenge you to prove to me that math-rock is real”. Responses varied – some kept tongues in cheek, some were flippant, some were genuinely useful, pointing our curious poster in the direction of Piglet and Sharks Keep Moving. But neither of these acts have left impressions considerable on the development of a musical genre now elevated to buzz status thanks to the breakthrough of Foals and, a year before, Battles.

The roots of math-rock – which categorically does exist, that man – go deep; indeed, it’s possible to trace the veins back to Steve Reich and Johns Cage and Zorn, should the mood take. It doesn’t, though (although if anyone wants to begin at Nomeansno, be my guest here) so let’s begin where so many did: in Kentucky, in the 1980s.

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Slint

Slint: This Louisville three-piece – David Pajo, Brian McMahan and Todd Brashear were present on the recording of their 1991 high watermark Spiderland – formed in 1986, and their influence on math-related sub-genres of all forms can’t be in doubt (in terms of bands, look no further than June Of 44, MySpace, who in turn definitely had some influence on Botch’s quieter moments – more later). Instrumental music seeped in dramatic tension but set to rigid systems of solid-structured guitar patterns and percussive repetition, theirs was a sound tough to digest at the time, but one that now sounds dated by developments within the field. Despite disbanding in 1991, after Spiderland (the band’s other long-player, Tweez, was a rather mixed bag of improvised pieces that is notable only for its Steve Albini production credit: he’s listed as “Some Fuckin' Derd Niffer”; a 1994 EP, Glenn/Rhoda, otherwise known as an untitled or self-titled two-tracker, is worth investment though; find the tracks on MySpace), Slint’s presence continued to be felt throughout math- and post-rock circles, and they reformed in 2005. They continue to play live to this day, but new recordings aren’t exactly racing over the horizon line.

If you buy only one record: Spiderland is, even now, a phenomenal release, and one that’s truly essential to the fabric of math-rock. Rarely are ‘landmark’ albums worth revisiting once techniques fascinating at the time are repeated into familiarity, but this is definitely worthy of investigation by math newcomers.


Shellac

Shellac: Steve Albini’s own band at the time of his working with Slint (1987), Big Black, were a notoriously noisy proposition that retains fans to this day. Rapeman followed, releasing one album and an EP, but it was with Shellac (MySpace) that the producer found his loudest voice, alongside bassist Bob Weston and drummer Todd Trainer. Since 1992 the Chicago* trio’s awkward time signatures and trademark aggression has come to characterise a certain slant on math-rock – this is vitriolic and acerbic, yet compositionally taut and adventurous. Identifiable additionally due to Albini’s preference for Travis Bean aluminium guitars – heavy enough to necessitate a waist harness as well as the customary over-the-shoulder strap – the band’s output is opinion splitting in its ferocity, but undeniably influential in its unprecedented formula. Like many acts associated with math-rock, Shellac distance themselves to some respect from the genre by merely summarising their formation as a ‘minimalist rock trio’. Truth be told, a racket this deafening could never be considered ‘minimalist’.

If you buy only one record: While 1994’s At Action Park was superbly received, it’s the band’s third album 1000 Hurts, released in 2000, that makes for the easiest point of entry. Well, I say ‘easiest’ – ‘Prayer To God’ is as pant-shittingly brutal an opener as you’ll anything ever hear.

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Video: Shellac, 'Steady As She Goes'

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* Geographically speaking, Chicago and the Mid West is of huge importance to the progression of math-rock – as well as Shellac, similarly minded acts from the city include U.S. Maple (MySpace), whose 2007 disbanding was met by no little mourning amongst fans of weirdly-crooned experimentalism (check out their Acre Thrills LP of 2001), and 90 Day Men (MySpace), who moved to the city after forming in St Louis and whose 2004 album Panda Park, under-appreciated at the time of its release, is a wonderfully cinematic take on math-rock custom signatures. Further listening, in a similar vein: Bastro (MySpace), who would later re-emerge as the hugely influential Gastr del Sol (MySpace), and Shipping News (MySpace).

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Cap'N Jazz

Cap’N Jazz: A slight diversion, if you’ll indulge me, but sticking to our Chicago surroundings. Forming in 1989, the Tim Kinsella-led Cap’N Jazz (MySpace) released one ridiculously-titled LP (let’s simply call it Burritos for the sake of the word count) and a slew of sevens, ultimately calling it quits in 1995. And it’s what followed that’s of most interest here: Kinsella and brother Mike were founder members of the still-active Joan Of Arc (MySpace), a band whose motifs are absolutely in keeping with math-rock’s habitual guitar twitchiness. In turn, Joan Of Arc led to Make Believe (MySpace), and Tim and Mike got the old Cap’N Jazz line-up back together in 2001 to record the album Owls as Owls. Confused? You should be – I am and I own these records. Despite not sticking rigidly to what is today considered math-rock, Tim Kinsella’s guitar arrangements – both effortless angular and immediately engrossing – have certainly been heard by Foals’ twin six-stringers. Check out the man’s amazing catalogue on Wikipedia.

If you buy only one record: Cap’N Jazz’s two-disc compilation, Analphabetapolothology, is a must-have; Joan Of Arc’s catalogue is patchier given its wider scale, but 2003’s So Much Staying Alive And Lovelessness is an ideal starting point, or How Memory Works (1998) if you’re up for delving that bit further into the band’s past. All three are available via Jade Tree, as is Owls, worth the money if either Joan Of Arc recommendation appeals, but perhaps isn’t an ideal acquirement if it’s the boisterous quirk-pop of Cap’N Jazz that clicks.


Don Caballero

Don Caballero: Mainstays of Chicago stable Touch & Go until their 2000 demise – although drummer Damon Che formed a new ‘Don Caballero’ in 2003, which released the so-so World Class Listening Problem via Relapse in 2006 and is set to follow that with Punkgasm this summer – Pittsburgh’s Don Caballero (MySpace), like Shellac, were known to dislike the math-rock tag that featured prominently in reviews of their first four LPs, but it takes a wild imagination to not conclude that debut For Respect is a cornerstone of the genre, featuring both Steve Albini on production duties and Ian Williams on guitar, although the future Battles man would only make his presence truly felt on Don Cab’s second album, Don Caballero 2 (1995). Stop-start rhythms and syncopated blasts of percussion – Che is the master of this approach to drumming – identify the band’s material past and present as being of a math nature, and it’s clear to hear the connection between it and recent output by Foals, as well as the two albums to date from Chicago’s Russian Circles (MySpace).

If you buy only one record: It’s a toss up for me between albums one and two – both are fine introductions to a band whose influence on the likes of Battles and Foals, and subsequently acts inspired by such modern purveyors of math-rock, is absolutely evident. Ian Williams, ex-Don Cab, is even in Battles. D’uh.

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Video: Botch, 'Saint Matthew Returns To The Womb'

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Another small diversion, please: Don Cab’s influence (and that of their instrumental peers) reached beyond math-rock purists, informing a number of more metal-tinged acts. Tacoma’s Botch (1993-2002, MySpace) adapted the complex riff patterns for the heavier end of the rock spectrum, inventing ‘mathcore’ in the process, or ‘math metal’ if you like; their We Are The Romans LP of 1999 (review) is rightly regarded as one of the greatest albums of its kind – powerful, passionate and absolutely mind-blowing in terms of captured aggression and technical artistry. The album’s producer Matt Bayles and band guitarist Dave Knudson would later form Minus The Bear, but more on them later. Also taking cues from math-rock in their early years were New Jersey’s The Dillinger Escape Plan (MySpace). Their Calculating Infinity album of 1999 should be your next purchase after Botch’s seminal work – mind-bendingly complicated of riff, it’s the ‘fan favourite’ despite Dillinger’s superb refining of their initial sound, realised brilliantly on the pop-infected perfection of last year’s Ire Works (review). Mathcore further listening: Since By Man (MySpace); Converge (MySpace); Coalesce (MySpace); Between The Buried And Me (MySpace)… more.

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The Locust

The Locust: Bear with me here… The Locust (MySpace) might initially seem more connected to Botch and The Dillinger Escape Plan than any ‘typical’ math-rock, given their confrontational cacophonies, but listen closer to those out-there signatures and it’s clear the group have been touched by the influence of more traditional exponents. Jimmy LaValle played guitar in the band from 1996 to ’98, leaving to form the definitely math-rock echoing Tristeza (MySpace), an act merging math schooling with post-rock sensibilities; he then ‘became’ The Album Leaf, distanced from math-rock almost completely. Other members have enjoyed associations with Some Girls (less math, more monstrous punk noise, MySpace), Cattle Decapitation (gory math metal, MySpace) and Head Wound City (scrappy punk also featuring members of The Blood Brothers and Yeah Yeah Yeahs, MySpace), stretching math-rock’s influence into scenes you’d never usually associate with the seemingly fairly insular genre. So, The Locust are carriers of the math-rock gene – it’s not always evident in their output, and absolutely not in the output of related acts, but overtones penetrate the squall all the same.

If you buy only one record: Plague Soundscapes (2003, review) is 21 minutes (and 23 tracks) of head-spinning insanity excess. NME famously awarded the album a 10/10 score. Somehow you can’t imagine that happening today.

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Video: The Locust, 'Live From The Russian Compound'

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Rothko

Rothko: Totally at the opposite end of any math-rock spectrum to The Locust are London’s Rothko (MySpace) – an ambient instrumental group considered to incorporate elements of math-rock by a number of critics. Repetition plays its part, and there’s little here that matches styles commonly associated with conventional contemporary post-rock; everything’s structured so very so, and it’s this level of attention to detail that finds Rothko mentioned here. Boasting an impressive catalogue, growing steadily and surely since their 1997 formation, the quartet share atmospheric similarities with LaValle’s Tristeza (if you’re to buy one of their releases, make it Spine & Sensory, released in re-mastered form in 2004) – math-rock to relax to rather than shake yourself silly in time with. There’s no doubt the influence of Slint plays its part on the band’s recordings, too, as a certain eeriness creeps through the noise with no little irregularity; Belfast's Tracer AMC (MySpace) are among the acts quite probably influenced by Rothko.

If you buy only one record: In The Pulse Of An Artery (2001) is among the most beautiful instrumental LPs you could hope to own.


Battles

Battles: Skipping forwards from Don Cab’s inspirational instrumentals but bypassing the mathcore tributary, New Yorkers Battles were Foals’ forerunners in terms of presenting math-rock to the masses, as television appearances projected tracks from their debut album proper Mirrored (review) into the homes of many unfamiliar converts. Featuring members of Don Cab and not-math-at-all rockers Helmet, the four-piece were initially regarded as a sort of supergroup; now established on their own terms, criss-crossing polyrhythms pride of place on many a festival bill (see them this summer at the DiS-sponsored Supersonic Festival), the band are recognised globally as leading the latest math-rock charge, however much they try to describe themselves as anything else. Why the bad rep, though? Everything above is, basically, neat.

If you buy only one record: The EPs showcase the band’s formative forays into brave new compositional territories, but Mirrored (2007) is a must-have regardless of your opinions on any aforementioned math-rockers here. It’s simply a great LP, one of the best of last year if not the best.

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Video: Minus The Bear, 'Knights'

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Before we get to Foals – nearly there (forgive me a lack of complete comprehensiveness in this here history, please – there are only so many hours in the day) – time for a brief focus on math-pop. Minus The Bear formed in Seattle in 2001, with members previously serving time in post-hardcore outfit Kill Sadie as well as the previously mentioned Botch and Sharks Keep Moving. Combining math-rock rhythms with a definite pop edge, they’re perhaps the middle ground between Battles’ instrumental Rubik’s Cube and Foals’ more immediate Guess Who alt-rock – personality split several ways but with songs always featuring catchy hooks. Newcomers to the band – who display colours also comparable to the hyperactive indie-rock of Bloc Party and Q And Not U – should begin at the beginning, with 2002’s Highly Refined Pirates. Slightly more complex but no less grabbing are Maps & Atlases (MySpace), from (surprise, surprise) Chicago, whose material echoes both the rabid fretboard workouts and vocal histrionics of Tim Kinsella and also the clipped notes and ferocious percussion of Battles. Clicking further, from the ADHD pop-rock of Maps & Atlases, you can visit St Louis’ (spotting geographical themes here?) So Many Dynamos (MySpace), the slightly straighter-faced math-rock fallout of We Versus The Shark (MySpace), Denver-based math-poppers The Photo Atlas (MySpace), Californian headache-inducers Tera Melos (MySpace), and Oxford’s This Town Needs Guns (MySpace). Which brings us quite nicely to our concluding act.

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Foals

Foals: You know, the ones from Skins… but so very much more. Partially the recipients of some unfortunate backlash given their over-exposure ahead of debut album Antidotes, Foals perhaps don’t get the kudos they’re owed for making math-rock such a eminently droppable term in standard muso/industry conversation. The Oxford five-piece – formed from the ashes of overly-fiddly sorts The Edmund Fitzgerald and inspired in part by fellow townsfolk Youthmovies, who themselves cite Steve Reich as an influence (see, this shit’s circular) – look set to continue their rise throughout 2008, as October live dates edge closer to being sold out and further singles are scheduled for release following the pre-album one-two of ‘Balloons’ and ‘Cassius’. Expect the likes of Pennines (MySpace), Great Eskimo Hoax (MySpace), Pulled Apart By Horses (MySpace), the already mentioned This Town Needs Guns and more to attract considerably more attention to their similarly-hued brands of math-rock in the wake of Foals’ commercial success. I’ve no complaints about that, whatsoever.

If you buy only one record: Antidotes is the band’s debut album, and widely available. As this review hopefully suggests, it’s well worth the £6.99 or whatever it’s going for in HMV.

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Video: Foals, 'Cassius'

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And there ends our quick-fire, quick-fix, skip-a-few journey through the history of math-rock. See, it does exist, not that we've really concluded exactly what it is. The only certainty: it will continue morphing and twisting, goalposts always on the move, in the same way as post-hardcore, emo, everything before it. Enjoy the ride.



A lot of good bands mentioned

But what about Dartz!


file alongside...

...This Town Needs Guns.


Top stuff Mike. Will read comprehensively when not at work!

If anyone's not listened to Instruments I can't think of many doing it better...proper ace.
Really want to listen to Mirrored now. Really loudly. Yeah.


Yeah

Instruments are great. really nice peoples too


seconded

i've got into them recently actually. so hurrah for giving them a mention :)

great article man, loved it. nobody can ever get enough Don Cab,, Tera Melos, Botch or Converge. Or Kinsella for that matter. which brings me to yelp helplessly...AMERICAN FOOTBALL?!?! where are they in your list?! they easily deserve a place. i think they piss all over Owls anyway.

and by then end of tonight would make a fine addition. ta


everyone knows

dartz! are just a disco band Pennington! ha!


nice to see

Since By Man mentioned in there. I think I may give 'we sing the body electric' a listen on my way home.


excellent to see so many great bands here!

shame the article had to culminate in such an average band. not that they're shit, but lets face it, they're pop-math-rock. dumbed down easy to understand math rock.

good work though mike


Foals are a gateway band to even better ones

just like Busted were a gateway band for millions of school children who probably are into Foals by now...


Foals aren't math...

... That Fucking Tank are however. They're also brilliant.


Rothko..

Speaking as a former member and as flattering as it is to have an album flagged up as beautiful, I must clarify a few things.

There is no real way that Rothko could be classed as any kind of Math-Rock isotope, our influences at the time were Harold Budd/Eno, Danny Thompson, Eberhard Weber and other ECM records, Durutti Column, Cindytalk, late era Talk Talk that sort of thing.

Slint was most certainly not an influence,I reckon that over the years something residual has maybe filtered through from myself and Jon's parallel involvement in Geiger Counter who were very much a Math Rock band and probably had a Slint influence (although I never cared for them.)

I also don't ever remember any critical application of the phrase Math Rock to anything Rohtko did.

Post Rock yes, millions of times unfortunately.


I enjoyed that, thanks.

Very informative, remind me I need to add some more Math albums to my collection.

I'm surprised by you not mentioning Sweep The Leg Johnny though.


SHIT...

...I bloody well did on my notes and totally missed them here. Bloody typical.

Sto Cazzo FTW.


good piece!

surprised you mention shipping news over the earlier rodan though. not that shipping aren't GREAT.


Yar...

...impossible to be comprehensive, but hopefully there are enough names/links here to reach the acts I haven't mentioned, either intentionally or accidentally, as in the case of Sweep... I can still see their name in my notes, laughing at me... shit.


yeh i didnt thnk of that until

galactic said it. the thing is its easy to leave people out from something that isn't really a coherent scene as such...the whole things come together slowly from different influences over 10-15 years so its not like grunge for example where every magazine was weighing in with definitions.

also its arguably not a strongly defined genre as such, if Shellac are in there, could Tortoise maybe have been mentioned?


For sure.

Just fancied showing the ickle kiddies that math-rock is older than them.


...

strange piece. Cap'n Jazz definitely aren't math, neither are Rothko, The Locust, Botch or Foals. Really surprised Sweep aren't mentioned.


Could easily have started with

Rodan instead of Slint and ended up with an actual math-rock band instead of Foals. But an interesting read.


lots of great bands here

somewhat dubious putting them as some kind of footnote to foals though, particularly as the majority of them are 1000x more complex and forward thinking than foals. i still don't think playing palm muted triplets in 4/4 should necessitate a "math rock" title, whereas I think its definitely applicable to bands like Make Believe and Dillinger (to pick two opposite ends of intensity) whose music is genuinely "mathy" (bleh).


Agreed

Foals are a photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy of math-rock.

If hoards of Skinscore kids rush out to buy copies of Spiderland and Don Cab 2 to jump on the math bandwagon it's only a good thing, right?


Pretty much all my favourite bands

are mentioned here.


What?

NO unlabel?


im no foals expert....

but surely to place them in the same 'genre' as shellac and slint (who i dont think belong in the same genre themselves) is redundant


yeah, how do you definite 'math' ?!

Foals only use syncopation and polyrhythms really- no switching between complex time signatures


what a wierd article...

half of the bands in that massive list at the top definately aren't math-rock, and you've missed a fair few of the vitals.


Surely if you're going

to talk about where Foals' current sound originates from there has to be some mention of 'Echoes' and 'Silent Alarm', whether the band themselves like to admit it or not...


Balloons and Hummer

to name but two are very reminiscent of The Rapture, except the glitchy guitars which obviously have Bloc Party stamped all over them.


Polvo

is math-rock where none of the numbers add up and your calculator breaks.

I love Polvo BTW.


Aw

I really, REALLY like it when journalists do some fucking research, and write things that they've thought about. Mike- you're one of the few who seems to enjoy doing this. Top stuff.

Although I'd be lying if I said I weren't disappointed to see no mention of a certain "plodding math-rock band"...


If ever I felt more confused about a genre after reading 2000 words on the subject

...then that time my brain must've exploded because I sure don't remember it. I'm beginning to think Maths Rock really doesn't exist at all. I think it's been alluded to that to give a name to a scene that doesn't really exist is bizarre, even by music journo standards. Slint seems a bit of a strange place to start as well.

Still, it was nice to read about a few bands i've never heard of before. Not so sure about the Foals (or the 'genre' generally though)


Maths is a complex subject...

And Math-Rock also falls into the same category of complexity. I do believe there can/will/should be a book written on the subject. For starters, don't we need some kind of definition of Math-rock before we start saying that they are and they are etc. So my question is: What the hell is the definition? (Is it just that they don't always do 4/4 timing which I'm sure a quite a few of these bands are guilty of).

p.s. American Don is blatantly the most awesome album from Don Caballero (probably my 2nd favouritist band of all time)


mathcore/metalcore

Sure. Like I said, this isn't comprehensive - you can factor Meshuggah into the Dillinger/Botch equation.


KINSELLA-CORE

genre term friend came up with recently to obviously describe the likes of Joan Of Arc, Owls and Cap N Jazz...

...aswell as whole host of new uk bands (Foals, Dartz, Tubelord etc) at moment who are clearly influenced by them.

i know. its brilliant. beats math-rock any day.


Slint and Shellac?

Math Rock? Really?


anyone remember Dianogah and/or American Heritage

?

they were footnotes, but good ones


Definitely a place for US Maple...

...briefly mentioned + link in the article, after Shellac.


doh!

sorry, missed that bit

very good article


love Dianogah

Millions Of Brazilians is ace. What happened to them after that? Another winner I was tipped off to by the Shellac curated ATP.


I'm not sure...

...if there's such a thing like math rock (shouldn't it be mathS?).
anyway. if foals is math rock, then it's the 2+2=4 kind of maths.


nice mention of

so many dynamos and the photo atlas. great bands that haven't got the attention they deserve yet


That was a good read.

Although for some reason I seem more drawn to Sweep the Leg Johnny, rather than all the other bands I haven't heard of who are mentioned in the actual article.


I are famous!


Good article.

Though i've always considered "math rock" to just be a label attributed to any band forward thinking and non-conventional, or hard to define as it were. So i'd rather consider all those bands as just being bands years ahead of whatever they sound like, or bands who are trying to copy them.

Or alterntively, anything with mad time signatures and changes.

It's all good in the end.


sorry

But good music is good music !! If you go back to the 70's there were no different subgenres of rock music then invented by the media prior to punk it was all rock music man !!! If you ask Foals about this term they d probbaly agree with me and say its all a load of bollox !!! Howvever you've mentioned some good rock bands in this article that need more investigating !!


Somewhere

in a parallel universe, all those bands at the top were just announced for a festival and I just creamed my pants.


Good article

see also, oxes? And the edmund fitzerald were awesome, and in no way over fiddly.


no "sleeping people"

that bands math dang near gave me a headache.


Tunbridge Wells

If ever a town represented Math Rock then TW is it. It seemed like every band was doing the mathrock thing for a fair while - witness the Unlabel back catalogue.


am surprised that

given this is an "ok you've heard foals, now try..." article that you haven't mentioned Charlottefield or Cove as 'new' bands to check, they're undoubtedly two of the better mathrock bands in London (the former even got a kerrang review recently)

And I don't really like either of them! there's no doubt that they're good at what they do though, hence silver rocket put them on every other month or so it seems


Neither are new.

And neither are based in London... so far as I know... although I sometimes see Mark from Cove around town... usually on the Tube after a gig.


Both are honourary

Tunbridge Wells bands. Well, Cove are a TW band but you get my point.


charlottefield are not math

great article - this is the kind of content that keeps Drowned in Sound worthwhile.
Not sure I quite agree with all the points you make:...
Shellac are definately influential but I cant really see the Math link. Also I really dislike how foals seem to be the pinnacle of the article, almost like excellent, complex bands like Cap n Jazz and Don Cab have somehow seeded the kind of obnoxious pop that foals seem to make. Not a 'backlash' as I realise they have their place. But, Definately a great reference point for a lot of great bands.


Don't see them as a pinnacle.

As much as I like Foals, the band 'emselves certainly wouldn't rank their material above that of many aforementioned acts. It's more an opportunity to expose influencial, sorta-math (loose categorising throughout) bands that came before them, opening new ears to the fact that the idea of math-rock's been around for some time.


I like this article...

It's well thought out and well written, right up until Foals are called "Math"
Everyones going to have a problem with the odd band in there because of the way the view certain things, or the way they found the band etc...
I can tell the sort of music Foals listen to yeah, but i can still count in fours to anything off the album (which i haven't heard, i am just making an assumption from the singles/myspace) Because i listen to Simon & Garfunkel does that make my band acoustic folk?


Whaaaaaaaaaaat

about Hella?

Yeah That Fucking Tank.

Uglyhead

and for worse - yourcodenameis:milo


Oh and if we're adding to the list....

there's nothing about Rob Crow, i'd say that man was/is pretty genre defining!