apart from GayGuv obviously.
It is presumably mortifying enough admitting to other people that you have voted Tory in any context, but a vote for Boris seems even more embarrassing.
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Will anyone here admit to voting for Boris?
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by doctornovocalcords
DanielKelly?
You fucking knows it blud
why is it embarrsing to vote conservative?
it shows you don't care about other people that much?
not everyone is embarrassed by that though
but they should be
why should they be?
why should people be embarrassed
about showing they don't care about other people that much?
just becasue someone votes conservative,
doesnt mean they dont care about people. i know a lot of peple who prob voted conservative, but i wouldnt say they dont care about anyone.
political beliefs
reflect personal beliefs. If the need for social welfare and greater equality is a key personal belief then it follows that you vote for a party that reflect this in their policies. I'm not quite sure who that is at the moment but it clearly isn't the Conservative party and never has been.
I don't see that your last sentence is accurate at all.
The Conservative party have moved on pretty drastically from the archaic view many people on here seem to have of them.
they really haven't
it's very superficial, witness the initial disquiet about Cameron until people realised he might actually get decent results. The party membership and the bulk of the parliamentary party are the same people who have always been there and the demographics and traditional areas of concern are no different.
Nah, don't agree
For the last 10 years, all the two major parties have really done is split hairs over nigh-on identical policies and argue about who devised them first. We live in an age of the Middle Ground.
I'll quite happily vote Labour in the future. I just don't see them as being capable of running the country right now.
would you ascribe the word "capable" to Boris Johnson?
Not with a strong degree of confidence, no.
But I'd personally say the same thing of both Livingstone and Paddick.
Yes
Won a scholarship to Eton (class wat aside, would YOU be capable of that?), studied classics at Oxford, has established a successful and lucrative media career in tandem with his political duties and looks set to become the Mayor of London.
No, obviously he must be thick and has onyl achieved all of this because everyone around him is so desperately stupid!
*class war
Alex half the things you go on about nobody has even mentioned
I never said he was thick. I don't think he is remotely thick. That is a different construct than competence.
I don't know about the scholarship to Eton, I was never in a position to try and certainly wouldn't have wanted to go there. I don't think studying at Oxford is a signifier of anything (I did and I am spending my day arguing with you on the internet) and I have on pretty good authority that his role at the Spectator has been massively overplayed.
It depends on what you define 'capability' as
None of the three major candidates are idiots. Anyone who thinks that is on dubious intellectual footing themselves. They are all clearly very intelligent and erudite men in their own ways.
Unlike voting for Labour?
"Hello, poor people? How are you doing? Really? That sucks. By the way, we'll be taking more of your already tiny wage. Kthnxbye"
we're geting into politics again.
the question is:
why is it embarrassing to vote for the party you want to win?
It's not
if you can justify it as an a priori decision. Trying to strengthen the party's position in this country and all.
But that would only work if the man was a blank slate. This man, who represents the worst of the old boys club vision of the Tories (that even Mr Cameron has done so well to avoid), and his non-policy approach to policymaking?
^ a more reasoned answer
I just hate the Conservative party and all they stand for
i'm not their biggest fan,
but i dont see how its embarresing
also,
how many different ways have i spelt embarrasing?
I think it's 4
because its a party
based on regression
I did.
I'm not even remotely embarassed. And whats more, despite not classing myself as a Tory as such, I'm fucking glad that they've torn Labour a new arsehole in the council elections.
I'm also really pleased that the Lib Dems have gained ground on them.
but Boris J is SUCH a cunt
True
Name one London Mayor candidate who isn't
true, true.... but Boris is at the end of that continuum
But
so is Red Ken. Let's face it, one shouldn't vote based on the cuntitude or otherwise of the candidates.
how about when electing a racist, homophobic, burbling twat?
^clearly gay.
I don't believe he is racist or homophobic
but burbling I can't dispute. I can't see what racist or homophobic policies he could possibly implement, even if he was of that disposition
true, but there's a difference between
being glad Labour do shit in the council elections and being glad Ken's lost (if he has lost, which let's be fair, he probably has)
i was amused that ken's campaign team were trying to distance themselves from gordon brown's support during the campaign
Really?
I actually think Ken will win by a good few points. But I'm hoping that he gets a big enough scare to sort out some of the areas he hasn't been so strong in. I do really like some of his policies, I just very much object to some of his other doings.
As for the national council elections, Labour have no one but themselves to blame. I think change is beneficial.
bbc say:
"BBC Political Editor Nick Robinson said that, although counting only began at 0830 and a result is not expected until the late afternoon at the earliest, all sides believe Mr Johnson will win."
Oh I thought you didn't live in London
obviously you, Alex and GG are the MASSIVE TORIES of DIS but I thought only GG could vote.
We can agree on it being good that the Lib Dems have done well.
I really don't think I'm a notable Tory
I disagree with Alex and GG about as often as I agree with them. I live on the outskirts of London and I'm from there, so was already registered. Plus, I'm moving back there in 4 weeks.
We're not the MASSIVE tories.......
we're the ONLY tories.
It's laughable that you seem to be so threatened by dissenting opinion.
I voted Paddick
then Boris
This is so funny.........
when are you people going to accept the fact that as labour voters you are a dwindling group?
The tories polled more votes than labour in England at the last general election.
On May 1st 1997 at the very peak of labour popularity they still polled fewer votes than the tories did in 1992, back when the tories were truly dying on their feet.
Does it ever occur to you that there are many millions in this country who are utterly opposed to the labour party and have been for many years?
Welcome back to the minority.
Get a grip!
'you people' should read 'some people'
I'm not a Labour voter
lol
Nah the LOLZ will come in two years
when the landslide comes.
thanks for backing
up all i think about Tories
Awww, diddums.
xxx
yay wider evidence of the nation being full of cunts
ROFL
^getting too worked up
by a hypothetical event
I WANT to be the minority
I don't need YOUR authority
BILLIE JOE HAS CANCER.
I fucking miss that thread.
.
oh THOSE are the words to the second bit.
at least something good will have come of this whole 'destruction of london' thing.
Because it's what I believe in?
If the Tories were to be a dwindling group but you believed in generally what they stood for, would you suddenly stop standing up for it? I doubt it
^ This
I have no doubt I'd have voted for a more old school Labour party or candidate. I just don't have any faith in anyone in that party and haven't done for the last 6 or 7 years.
I've voted conservative in Hull
...I know all about hopeless causes!
So isn't that counter to your initial point?
Not really, the pendulum swings left and right.....
the other side were in the ascendency for the past deacde, now the tables have turned.
Labour types will just have to suck it up.
YES!
Because he will make London FUNZ! And I like his hair. You can rely on a man that's had the same haircut since prep school!
^5
Come on now, you're better than this.
Please confirm this post is a joke
Otherwise the last crumb of my belief in humanity will be sucked up into the great Dyson in the sky
of course it's a joke
I didn't
but only because I forgot to register to vote by post/proxy. And it's tearing me up inside.
I voted Boris
because I looked past his bumbling persona and his HIGNFY appearances and read his articles and policies, and liked what I saw. I'm worried that his proneness to gaffes will be his downfall, but he's by far the best candidate on the ballot paper. So much in fact that I struggled to choose a second-choice candidate (I plumped for Brian Paddock simply because he was the least offensive option.)
And everyone calling him racist; please shut up. I'm the son of immigrants (half-Polish, half-Black Arab) and apart from the occasional usage of dubious vocabularly I've not read or seen anything from Boris that suggests he's the bigot the Guardianista's portray him as.
^ This
Besides, one or two issues aside, the three main candidates/parties all occupy a pretty stagnant middle ground. I can't see London being drastically better or worse off in any scenario.
Their fear isn't that London will go to the dogs....
but, that it won't or worse still, that it may achieve.
A certain type of labour supporter would far rather see London plunged into chaos then have to confront the fact that they were utterly wrong.
*may actually improve rather than achieve.
than not then.
+1000 Ciderland points
for the use of Guardianista.
On the other hand..
although I can't argue with that (because you're the perfect voter, really, in that you've actually made an effort to look through the policies) this is exactly why I wouldn't have voted for him (I sent my slip in too late; I R IDIOT). All I saw in his policies were promises to implement expensive and probably ineffectual ideas.
The clearest example being - the most borderline retarded - the promise to remove the bendy buses. After millions spent to introduce them, and with all evidence showing that they're working well. All to score a point for traditionalism.
That is the one policy I wish he'd drop
and I really won't be surprised if he eventually does
Of course he will
Where will he magic a the money from to get rid of a load of buses and make a load of an old design?
The giant budget he has?
In all the debates I saw, Johnson, Livingstone and Paddick all come across as morons on this issue. Arguing either for or against the price of a non-existent vehicle isn't the best way to seem intelligent.
If Boris has won
this is potentially great news for Labout at the next general election. London goes tits up, probably exploding in confusion, the rest of the country think 'eek Tory control' and Brown hands Cameroon a sound whipping when it really matters.
I don't think for a second this is going to happen.
i hardly think that
invading Cameroon is doing to do much good
*going
d'oh
worked in Italia 90
It's better than Zimbobmugabwe
I don't think it will happen either
I think things won't change too much in day to day terms because it will be more about the team Boris gets around him (although I doubt he is a capable leader), but just that we will have a new international figurehead for the city and the country who is a complete fucking embarrassment.
Pie in the sky stuff........
2 years isn't long enough to fuck up a city like London and besides, you massively overestimate the concern that people outside of London feel for the capital.
I understand that people
don't give a shit about London if they live outside - I'm the same. (I live just outside). But if Boris is Mayor and a Tory Mayor at that, makes a right royal balls up of London then I think some people in the middle ground outside will (may?) see this as a precursor to a Conservative Government.
Possibly, but there are many within London and
further afield who believe that Ken has made a right royal balls up of his stint as Mayor. Perspective is key.
Additionally, given the mess labour have made of governing Britain the floating voter will be inclined to give the tories a fair go of it.
I didn't
cos I don't live in London.
'It is presumably mortifying enough admitting to other people that you have voted Tory in any contex
Completely sums up the bizarrely irrational attitude so many people on this board hold towards the conservative party. I don't support the conservatives and I wouldn't have voted for Boris for london mayor, but some of the best politicians working in government today are tories(like my own who, though I disagree with him on lots of issues, has been absolutely exemplary in serving his constituency and will almost certainly have my vote next election). Of course, there's the occasional cunt, like the aforementioned mop-haired goon, but perhaps the parties success in the recent local elections can be explained by the fact they put forward the best candidates? I'm still pretty sure plenty of people vote for the individual rather than the party in the local elections, as alien a concept as that might seem to some people here.
Excuse me can you go away please
There is no place for calm and measured responses in a DiS politics thread.
^ This post is absolutely spot on