I have no idea which of the two I am, and I don't know the difference between the two. Am I bad person, or is it okay not to give a flying fuck?
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I am a bad person for knowing fuck all about left-wing and right-wing?
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Do u write with your left or right wing?
he's not a duck.
yesiamnotaduck
But how can you manage without being called a smug, arrogant cunt every time you express an opinion?
I call it ignorance.
:)
Urgh
This is where you'l get loads of responses from 6th from politics students who think they're being clever by saying "Yeah, well, left and right really doesn't exist anymore..."
Theae peple are not clever.
its also where you will get a post from gayguevara
where it becomes apparent that he thinks he in does actually know EVERYTHING there is to know about politics.
It's probably time to research
but at the same time announcing whether you are right wing or left is not a good conversation starter...
pretty much...
Far Right Nazi, Far left anarchist
What about both?
Liberal Democrats
are kinda central, if a little left sided
Are they Nazis and Anarchists?
Cause that would be ace.
or if you want to
be dead center (well kinda) Marxism was an example of being in the middle
LOL?
^this
that'd be
right.
anarchist doesnt really fit on the spectrum
given that its by nature adverse to traditional criteria that would identify as either.
so...
anarcho-capitalists are far left?
Riiight.
I had someone explain this all to me in the pub last week
it's quite boring and i can't remember what it's all about...
in really general and not all that accurate terms:
right = conservativism, and a general belief in the monarchy and all that is good and right etc. Hence the BNP being far right, in that they want to revert to the 1900's where white supremacy rules. Conservatives just want less yobs and more nice young people who keep their mouths shut. Reverting back to 'the good old days' etc
left = liberalism, and a general belief that things need to move forward to get better. Hence freedom of opinions and speech, non-archaic methods of punishment, and encouraging the new.
I'm going to try and not be a real arse here
because in extremely broad terms, you aren't wrong. But that is still a pretty misleading post, particularly considering the middle ground the Conservatives now occupy and the confusion between being liberal and liberalism, the American political ideology
yeah i know
i'm completely generalising. But in very general terms, and for someone who doesn't really know what 'left' or 'right' are, i feel that's an alright summing up of the whole thing. but of course, things aren't that simple.
Yeah
Far left and far right are pretty easy to peg but everything between the two doesn't really lend itself to being generalised!
actuallym there's a pretty good article on wikipedia
which is probably far more accurate:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-right_politics
there's also the Nolan Chart
http://humanknowledge.net/PoliticalSpace.jpg
which comes in many forms, but i like this one because of the little floating heads
There's also the problem
that conservatism (i.e. the political ideology, not support for the party!) is based on a very particular idea - that things that have stood the test of time are worth preserving - that doesn't necessarily fit into either "left" or "right". I know a lot of "conservative" socialists.
But,.....................
BNP supporters tend to be jaded former labour voters. In short, disaffected socialists.
This is where left/right differentials break down. Let's not forget that the nazis, whilst ostensibly opposed to communism shared some common ground, not least in terms of anti-capitalist tendencies, 'National Socialists'.
Far left and far right have way more in common with each other than they have with centre left and centre right respectively.
Additionally, you can be a liberal whilst holding right wing opinions, just as you can
be utterly illiberal whilst claiming to be left wing.
i know
and i am totally aware that the majority of BNP supporters are just frustrated and sidelined and want someone to change something.
i probably shouldn't have been so flippant about my descriptions there, but yes you're right, that was just an extremely broad and not particularly accurate definition.
and yeah, i feel that it's difficult to pin the label 'left' or 'right' or whatever else to a person, and i'm not sure why people do. people usually aren't going to agree with EVERY aspect of a political ideology.
Totally fair point.
I just get a little sick of those on DiS (and I'm not for a minute saying that you are one of them!) who see politics in the most inane, one dimensional, Tomy 'My First Opinion' way possible:
Left/Labour = Caring/sharing/social justice/racial harmony
Right/'Tory' = Selfish/greedy/racist/stupid
no, i totally agree
http://www.drownedinsound.com/articles/3246213#r3246641
it's idiotic, arrogant and extremely inaccurate to think that ones own opinion is the only one worth anything. People who are all Star Wars light side/dark side about left and right are ignorant twits.
"BNP supporters tend to be jaded former labour voters. In short, disaffected socialists"
genuinely curious, where do you get this from? i thought it was old dears in middle england who realise the BNP are the 'only party that cares about the indigenous people' who voted for them...
Not at all...........
They tend to either vote tory in recognition of the fact that they are the only party capable of defeating labour or they'll vote UKIP (regarded by many as the middle class BNP!).
The BNP have their heartlands in impoverished, traditionally labour areas.
That might not be comofrtable for you, but it's the truth. Those 'racist cunts' are far more likely to be from the labour tendency than anything else.
I disagree.
While I agree that they'll likely be working class, I think many of those that vote for the BNP can fall under both jaded Labour voters and people that traditionally fall under working-class Conservatism who feel the Tories don't do enough for them any more.
y'know
"That might not be comofrtable for you, but it's the truth."
saying things like this doesnt automatically make what you think true. as sibley points out, conflating 'impoverished' with 'socialist' is precisely the same sort of stereotyping your accusing other people of. i quite believe that there are disaffected socialists amongst the bnp ranks, i think its a hugely (verging on recklessly) simplistic view to suggest that its all just disaffected lefties. its quite reminiscent of how committed nazis in the US claim the majority of their ranks who engage in violent action are disaffected jews.
i'm from a disadvantaged bit of the north-eastern labour heartland
and I've gone to the far left. Socialism socialism socialism...
"BNP supporters tend to be jaded former labour voters. In short, disaffected socialists"
for fuck's sake, you are just completely ridiculous. Where have you got this from please? And how does this fit into your philosophy of not using sweeping generalisations?
No
You know why you are a bad person. How dare you wear white.
Traditionally
they refer to two polar opposite political models:
Left wing:
- Socially liberal
- Belief in protecting civil liberties
- Large role for the public sector
- Suspicion of / restricting the free market
- Egalitarian approach to social justice
Right wing:
- Socially conservative
- Willing to sacrifice civil liberties to control threats
- Minimal role for the public sector
- Belief in the free market
- Libertarian approach to social justice
Clearly though, you need not hold any or all of the beliefs from either model - in fact, there's a case to be made that both models are internally inconsistent. These days people sometimes use "right" and "left" in a reductionist way to just refer to economic policy, for clarity.
Broadly speaking...
Right= socially authoritarian, economically liberal
Left= socially liberal, economically authoritarian
Which leaves room for two more broad grouping...
Libertarian= socially AND economically liberal
Fascist/authoritarian= socially AND economically authoritarian.
Having said that, plenty of people on DiS see it like this...
left=you are a good person
anything else=bad bad bad
do you
butter your bread right to the corners, soemwhat religiously when you make sandwich?
or do you just throw it on haphazardly...and if there is no butter, do you just use whatever there is, or go without?
The last one.
I was a student for a while y'know...:)
oh in that case,
you can consider yourself a mid/leftwinger.
It's Political Compass time!
http://www.politicalcompass.org/index
i'm pretty much in between
Left and libertarian
Economic Left/Right: -6.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.87
almost exactly the same as the Dalai Lama, apparently. awesome.
Well well well................
Economic Left/Right: -3.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.28
I'm in the same bracket as Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Lama....and yet, I'm a tory!
Hippie.
Welcome to the dark side.
I wasn't expecting to be this socialist...
Economic Left/Right: -5.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.64
Apparently I'm with Gandhi, how self-righteous of me.
I'm quite close to ghandi too
Economic Left/Right: -3.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.97
GANDHI
interesting:
Economic Left/Right: -1.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.44
Gandhi was a good man.
hmm
libertarian left then, what a surprise
Economic Left/Right: -2.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.46
am i a populist then?
Current UK Party positions
http://www.politicalcompass.org/extremeright
I'm just above the Greens and I vote green (yes i'm a bloody hippy etc), how convenient for me.
My score hasn't changed much since last I took the test
About six months ago or so.
Economic Left/Right: -6.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.97
Makes sense, my being a libertarian socialist and all.
I don't know what this means
Economic Left/Right: 0.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.77
it was in the middle and three boxes down
It means you have centrist positions.
on most things.
what's your standing then?
mine's
Economic Left/Right: -1.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.46
Pretty Facist.
*Fascist
ok:
Left-wing = http://tinyurl.com/5lvf35
Right-wing = http://tinyurl.com/6e5y5h
simple.
beckham wasn't a right-winger, you doink
he was a right-sided midfielder!
even though i know all about politics
and shit like that... i still couldn't place myself on a spectrum of left/centre/right. it's not as linear as political scientists would have you think.
how to decide hmmm
a) do you think the world needs a little more love?
or
b) do you think the world needs a little more discipline?
i'm
middle left.
but you can't really catergorise either party as being total left or right wing.
historically speaking, tories can be more liberal than the labour party: i.e, the reform act, stopping slavery, and getting into Europe.
yes.
my
economic one is -6.62
and libertarian -5.28
like the dalai lama.
look at how we are all (even the tory) the opposite in scale to our political leaders. sad but not surprising that we're not being represented properly.
no one
will ever feel they are represented propoerly. Because everyone is too different in too many ways
right wing: selfishness
left wing: not selfishness
Too simplistic.
o rly?
i totally thought i could explain the entire political spectrum with one word.
You can explain it with one symbol
?
no, i can't.
can you?
Yes.
?
Cos it's liek all confusion.
aaaah