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Bland idiot's 'Idiots Guide To Punk' 1 - Music

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by Mr_JDTraynor

Music:
The influences upon punk music are obvious: Garage rock (mostly US, from the late sixties), Eddie Cochran, Kinks, Troggs, T-Rex, so-called pub rock from the UK (e.g. Eddie And The Hot Rods), MC5, New York Dolls and also Can, Beefheart and Bowie. The punk bands were respectively influenced by different bands or musical epochs: The Clash by late fifties and sixties; The Damned by the seventies; Buzzcocks and Siouxsie And The Banshees had clearly heard a lot of Can.

There was never a uniform style of music: Ramones, Buzzcocks, Banshees, X-Ray Spex, Clash, Sex Pistols, Damned, Sham 69 all sounded different to each other. Uniformity of style didn't appear until the eighties when a "punk sound" was declared, a style that has existed until today. (Today, a "punk" band blandly sounds like a cross between Ramones and The Clash.) Musical similarities existed of course: Tempo, absence of seventies-style guitar solos, brevity of most songs and a traditional verse-chorus-verse song structure.

An important common factor of punk bands was that there were no restrictions at all on what was required to be the lead singer: John Lydon, Mark Perry, Pete Shelley, Siouxsie Sioux, Poly Styrene, Joey Ramone, Jimmy Pursey, Joe Strummer, Dave Vanian – and also Paul Weller – were never singers in any formal sense nor as how rock music lead singers were supposed to sound. This is a key point. All the lead singers named above have distinctive voices that were a vital part of the respective band's popularity and longetivity, and some have had a huge influence on singing styles since, most notably Sioux, Styrene, Lydon, Perry and Shelley.

Equally important, and the reason why the music remains popular today, is the fact that there were great songs. 'New Rose' is one of the finest pop songs ever, 'Germ-Free Adolescents' is packed full of wonderful tunes and Pete Shelley had four years of prolific classic songwriting ('Ever Fallen In Love', 'Promises', 'What Do I Get', 'You Say You Don't Love me', etc. etc. etc. ) that, in terms of quantity of quality, has only been bettered by Bowie and The Beatles. Punk would have been nothing without the tunes.

Musically, punk lasted barely two years. The more popular bands disappeared (X-Ray Spex, Sex Pistols), developed musically (Siouxsie And The Banshees, The Clash, Buzzcocks) or became caricatures of themselves (Damned, Ramones).

Mr_JDTraynor | 03 May '08, 18:39 | Send note | Report this | Reply

What's the point

of this? Surely everyone's granny knows how to suck eggs?


Surely?

Well, yes, but I have noticed astonishing crap on these boards written about punk.


astonishing crap

is written on these boards about everything. but sometimes also good informed stuff.


fine john, sorry! not crap,

just not that good.


Where?


move on?


What about Blink 182?

they are punks


:(

even as a joke it still is slightly haunting


Defo,

At least we have Good Charlotte around to continue Punks legacy though.


i like

The Fall


i just mean

youre only really engaging with the tired old 1977 mainstream definitions of punk and hardly presenting anything new/uncovered/underground.


Well the underground has already been covered in much depth,

there's not really that much more to add.


Well, yes

Perhaps the previous poster is wishing there is something else. If he wants such excitement, I am not the man.


*she


wow

im so glad you were kind enough to shed some light on the relatively unknown domain that is 'punk'

now i can die in peace, knowing that finally i know all there is to know about 'punk'


Please grow up,

there is so much uncalled Traynor bashing on this site. All he did was give a very brief overview, it's important to know what's gone before yes? or was 1995 year 0 to you?


well i did a 15000 word dissertation on punk last year

namely marxism and punk - so i did do a lot of research.
incidentally i wasnt aware that music existd before 1995, didnt phil collins create 'music' in his basement?


Research?

Marxism and punk?


yeh

i reckon they have pretty similar ideologies.
i did a large part of it on the DIY ethos, and how that relatd to marx's ideas of revlutiopn fromn the ground up


Oh. Help!


What I meant to say is

I have no idea how good or useful your dissertation is, but your precis is not encouraging


interesting though

i though punk was more pro-anarchist. anarchists are anti-marxist. anarchists do not believe in the necessity of laws (basically), whereas marxism requires law-making in order to establish a fair economic spread, essentially 'fair trade', based on a commodity's value, not its financial worth. anarchy on a national scale would provide an almost ideal environment for un-fetter capitalism by abolishing things like the minimum wage & unfair competition legislature.

interesting to me because I have just read a journal by Eleanor Marx, in which she describes having to avoid US anarchist movements that wanted her to be executed upon arrival in america...


unfettered*

oops


You may be well grounded in the history of punk but there's still no need to

follow the herd and continue the traynor bashing is there? If he says something you aren't in agreement with then yeah pick your point, argue it out. Not everyone who uses these boards knows as much about the subject as you, remember that.


chill baby

im not joining in on any bashing. its pretty silly to accuse me of joining the herd of bashings. i didnt even know there was a herd to be joined.

i was in the mistaken belief that i still had choices to make


Thank you for displaying how much of a knob you are

In the form of referencing as many bands as possible to make it look like you "know music".

If I want to learn about punk, I'll read books about punk, not rely on some random guy on a message board doing a literary jerk-off display about how much he knows about out-of-date music.

How's that for a round of applause?


How's that ?

Just making you look a bit stupid...


Excellent

I'm going to cut and paste a suitably modified version of this post into any thread I'm not interested in.

That should put all these musical know it alls in their place.


Ooh, my comment was moderated...

It originally said

"was a load of bollocks"


"The influences upon punk music are obvious"..?

And yet no mention of reggae.

I've not bothered to read beyond that paragraph.


Which punk bands had a reggae beat?

The Ruts? But, they introuduced reggae into their music deliberately which is not the same as being influenced by it, and their reggae songs weren't until 1979.


I was gonna say the Ruts actually,

as well as a load of other UK-school-of-79ers like the Slits, Specials et al, but as you've destroyed that option, I'll have to go for the other route. Which is, that you can be influenced by something without sounding like it. I mean, genuine question, what did punks listen to in clubs? I'm not trying to win this argument, I actually want to know. Because in '76 there were punks, but very few punk records to play. Ok, there was so-called proto-punk, glam, nuggetsy garage etc - all the stuff you said, basically - but it wasn't that easy to come by, was it? And I thought it was reggae that got played a lot at places like the Roxy club and at punk gigs?

There's also the political aspect, as well as stylistic/cultural things (like skinheads, say), but I guess they're not for this thread?

Oh, and lest we forget, The Clash's only punk album featured a cover of Police & Thieves...


the clash released two punk albums

the s/t and give em enough rope.


why are people such cunts

theres nothing wrong with this at all. :(


^this

Pretty much.