and to still be popular to this day is a phenomena in itself. Beyond the songs, she's defined, broken and redefined the boundaries for females in music.

Notable songs are "Like a Prayer", "Justify my Love" and "Into the Groove"

Go listen to "The Immaculate Collection". it is pretty much the greatest greatest hits collection in ever.

And yeah, what FizzyBovril said.

she is held up as some shape shifting feminist who has 'played' the industry by her protean self definition- not true as far as i can see, she has sold sex and sexuality, she has been consistently marketed in these terms and often in these terms alone. Obviously not a massive deal, but the 'myth' that has grown up around her is bull, she is just another mostly talentless pop 'singer', who over a long period has occasionaly struck a bit of gold as far as songs go. These days, she is just plain embarrasing, like watching my nan dance to the gossip.

No, she's never been any good, it's a myth. Her best songs are OKish, even for pop songs.
At managing a career, she's been the best ever !

see the fuss at all.

If you don't like Lucky Star and Into the Groove then we're not on the same spiritual plane.

Even still 4,5/10 isn't completely awful, just sorta subpar. With so many pop stars worthy of hating, methinks Madonna deserves a pass.

If not, she's nothing more than an American Kylie. I like Frozen though.

in the grand scheme of pop she hasn't really brought anything genuinely amazing. Some good songs, some catchy songs, but nothing incredible

But those past achievements are about a million times better than all the stuff she's been peddling recently. At least back then she had some personality, some attitude. Now she's just an automaton, a focus group reliant pop cynicist who appears to take no joy in her craft whatsoever. All she does is peddle dead eyed sexuality, soulless grind, robotic come-on. In her face i see nothing but blankness, emptiness. If she actually is human any more, then she does a pretty good job of hiding it

Basically, all the endless reinvention and bandwagon jumping mixed with her detached, unemotional personality points to one conclusion - Madonna is the most insincere musician ever

Next stupid question?

So in brief, yes, she was good at some point.

although very little of it recently.

Having read a couple of interviews with her recently, she does seem like a singularly unlikable person on all levels though. The idea of being sat in a room with her for any period of time doesn't appeal greatly.

she was pretty innovative and interesting. But really not so much nowadays - Kylie took her place on the pop throne.

written for her.

which will stand the test of time.

However, then she started to 'reinvent' herself with each album....Slutty Madonna, Dominatrix Madonna, Mystical Madonna, Cowgirl Madonna, Scary Yoga Grandma Madonna.....

That's when it got tedious.

Great big stupid pop songs. Lucky Star, Borderline, Crazy For You, Into The Groove etc etc... I can cope up to Like A Prayer and then i'm completely turned off.

She's just a big shambles now, desperately latching onto whatever style of music is popular at any one time. Trying to make a pop record with tired old Timbaland was a big mistake.

Up until 1990 she made great pop music.

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