well yes he should right? i mean, he's destroyed the labour party, right? well i mean he's been handed a massively sinking ship, but could there be a less charismatic PM? And he’s clearly made a few massive balls ups, and now Cherie and Prescott have both slated him as a massive moaner and the like, and everyone knows that they are far more loved than Gordon, right? Yes, after all, he neither has a massively stupid face nor comes from hull or somewhere.
Please Gordon, sort it out, or just quit.
poor gordy :(
do some wotrk!
(you said it)
i am
i just thought you could discuss this while i'm busy
im busy discussing baby names
PHUQ THIS THREAD!
i played with a baby on saturday
well she was more of a todler, but she was tiny
what did you do with her?
^genuine-not-joking-about-being-a-paedo-question
she was just playing with her toys and Sophia
and then i took a photo of her and we through stuff at her.
sounds like a good day :)
(i hope it wasnt rocks)
nah just stones!
(or small pastic balls)
Imagine how everything would be if Blair was still PM
...
I so wish I could go back a few years.
yes he should have quit
the sooner the better.
he should never have become prime minister anyway. he simply isn't capable.
*should quit
THEY WANT ME DOWN!
DOWNSET AT THE BOTTOM!
ON THE COME UP TO SAY SOME!
DOWN!
DOWNSET AT THE BOTTOM!
COMING UP FROM THE SLUM! DOWN!
DOWN!
DOWN!
DOWN!
:D stegosaurus!
MEGA-SORE-ARSE
:D
He probably should
I'm so disappointed. I really thought he would rekindle my interest in all things Labour after being fed up with the Blair style of leadership. Sadly Blair did at least lead. Gordon is like a fish out of water. I fear the only way Labour are going to save any kind of face at the next election is by another change of leadership. I dread the day David Cameroon becomes PM. I really do.
i look forward to a conservative victory
but not a landslide - just enough of a loss for labour to sort its shit out and come back to government four years later
no chance
of an affective change of leadership, who else is there? miliband? a less cameron lite, imagine that!
the best thing they could do is rally round
True
I've seen the future, and it's blue with a tree that looks like it's been drawn by a child
4 years?
MEGALOL.
^ this, a hundred tims this
I had actually cancelled my Labour membership because I was tired of Blair, but you know what, I kind of miss him now.
A lot of people put a lot of good faith in Brown and he has ballsed up massively
Thing is
that even though many of the problems that Gordon's faced are a legacy of Blair's premiership, he's not responded well to them at all. He's not the man for the job, but I can't see anyone within Labour that would do much better at the moment. The whole party looks like floundering for a while.
I'm similarly apprehensive about Cameroon getting power. Although I'll probably be less so if he ever decides to stop trying to seize on the latest issue for political gain and starts talking about his own policies.
Definitely not.
I certainly wouldn't say he was handed 'a sinking ship'.
And we should note that Lord Levy also came out of the woodwork over the weekend to criticise Brown.
Should he step down? No, probably not. He's doing a pretty good job of winning the next election for the Conservatives, and i'm quite happy with that.
the economy was hardelly in a good state when Tony stepped down
which Gordon had a large hand in in the first place. also Tony had failed on quite a few points, and never manged to sort them out propperlyI know the initial opinion polls went up, but they often do for a new leader.
The economy's a global thing though.
I mean Brown maybe could have managed it better but it is global financial problems we're talking about.
true
but the Euro is looking pretty good against the pound
But it is fair to say
that many of the problems he's faced are a legacy of Blair's time. As I said just above, despite that, he's done little to help himself in dealing with many of them pretty badly.
In favour of who though?
Maybe like a snooker player who's 45 behind and there's only 22 on the table
they should just concede
angles mcmannas would disagree!
At the moment I sadly think Labour's a bit fucked.
They've put all their faith in a particular direction to the point that when Tony Blair left, there simply was no other candidate or proposed change of direction.
Ultimately, whilst I think Brown's position is becoming increasingly untenable, there isn't actually anyone else who could step up to the mark and offer anything else. I suspect Milliband would be more of the same (albeit with a bit more charisma) and I'm not really sure if there's anyone who can take Labour forward at the moment.
The one guy in the party I massively like and respect is Jon Cruddas but I don't think he'd want to do the job, or that he'd get it if he went for it, or that if he went for it and did get it he's a big enough name to turn it round immediately.
I fear Labour may have a similar few years of struggle to what the Tories had from '97 to '02.
92 - 06 more like.
The Tories spent 5 years in a state of virtual opposition whilst they were still the governing party.
There must be some epic plotting under way in Labour circles at the moment. Brown doesn't offend me as an individual and I have no doubt that his vision for Britain is one that I could wholeheartedly subscribe to....in theory.
But, the man just utterly lacks charisma, we're talking sub-Major in that regard. All he really had was decades of loyalty to the party which means nothing to the general public and a reputation for prudence/financial probity which now lies in tatters in the wake of a faltering economy/ the five pound gallon and the beginning of the end for the British house price pyramid selling scame.
*cute without the e
At least Major had a personality you could fun off though
Brown is just nothing. A dour man
Especially the way
he pronounced the word 'want'.
You're right, there'll be some brilliant books
about this in a few years.
Brown's intense desire to be a Labour Prime Minister, the meal at Granita where the pact was allegedly established, the transformation of the treasury into his private fiefdom...it all makes me wonder if Brown's ego really is so monstrous that he was willing to place his own personal ambition ahead of the best interest of the Labour party.
The PLP seem to have gone along with all of this because Brown was far too powerful to oppose, the wider just seemed to accept it as a foregone conclusion. Meanwhile, large sections of the public (wrongly) feel as if they have had a PM that they didn't vote for (I know how stupid that is, this isn't America, but I heard this again and again) foisted upon them.
The battle to replace him will be interesting. Ed Balls must be Brown's heir apparent, David Miliband may well be the popular choice though.
So, even if Brown were to leave parliament altogether the party may remain locked in a struggle between former Blairites and Brownite loyalists for years to come.
*wider party
Brown kind of strikes me as the type of chap
who I met at uni who are undoubtedly very clever but can not bare to have people question them. Yes to be PM you have to be firm, but you have to be able to be a bit malleable, you can't just bulldoze everything you want through, or eventually you'll come a cropper