basically you don't have one, right?
I don't understand how a country (or a democratic one at least) works with no constitution. It obviously does, to a certain extent, but I don't understand how.
Educate me pls.
basically you don't have one, right?
I don't understand how a country (or a democratic one at least) works with no constitution. It obviously does, to a certain extent, but I don't understand how.
Educate me pls.
something about queuing?
you're probably on to something
we don't have one
'cept we do! but you can't see it, we just know it's there somewhere - though we don't really know exactly what it says until someone asks. 'cept you can never ask.
that's how it works
hi
hi!
so what happens now I did ask?
is it like dividing by zero?
you can expect to be deported back to Norway tomorrow
There is a constitution, it just isn't codified
because in the British system Parliament has the ultimate soverignty over itself (if that makes sense)so it can amend and change the constitution as it sees fit.
Which is obviously more democratic that a rigid set of rules written down 200 years ago :-P
yeah cause those can obviously never change
which is why where I come from, jews and gays are still BANNED.
where's that then?
Norway.
But they take a majority vote the like of which
no political party is likely to have.
Whereas in Britain the constitution can be amended by the government chosed by the people at the time, and if they mess it up, the people who take over can change it back.
but
IT'S NOT WRITTEN DOWN
IT SEEMS SO UNOFFICIAL
I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT
it is written down.
it just isn't all written down together on piece of paper titled 'constitution'. it could be said to all be in a little folder though, which is labelled 'constitutional matters'.
it is written down
it's just written down in lots of disparate places, rather than on one bit of paper
some of it isn't written down
instead based on convention
it really is a mess, a mess that allows the state free reign
not really
i get your point, but its not really allowing the state to do whatever they like
We predated the notion of a constitution
Magna Carta essentially transferred absolute power from the crown (as I understand it) and as we've gone along the monarchy has been moved away from having any strong powers.
Because we've never actually removed them from position as head of state as other countries have we've never needed a constitution.
If you're British you answer this sort of question by implying that Britain is an 'adult' sort of country that has no need for things like constitutions to be a liberal and progressive place.
If you're not British you wonder what the fuck we're on. :D
so what about constitutional monarchies?
very few monarchs actually have any power now (well, at least in the western world) but their countries still have constitutions to ensure that there is some kind of foundation there for the country, and that it can't just be changed back and forth with every change of government like other laws
technically the Queen is still the big boss
as she is supposed to give her royal assent to any acts of parliament, and the government is 'the Queen's government' - the leader of the biggest party has to ask her permission to form the government.
although those are just formalities really, the Queen wouldn't be able to seize power from Gordie in some kind of violent struggle.
She still does five her assent.
And he is "her" Prime Minister. Her lords and stuff act on her behalf but she still has to sign everything to pass it whether or not you believe she reads it and actually checks it.
I suppose she could ask for the power back but we wouldn't allow it. Or would we?
I have no idea how "have" became "five".
I thought you missed out a 'high'.
I like the idea of that.
"We see one wants to remove the 10p tax band, Gordon. HIGH FIVE! You show those prole scum how it is done."
I do like the idea
of Gordon Brown clearing the Queen's review points: a red pen corrects the grammar, "Is this right?" etc
i reckon prince sharles could beat gordie up
anyone could beat up gordie
just poke him in the right eye, and from there it will be easy
We ARE a constitutional monarchy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_Monarchy
Most places in Europe (maybe everywhere else in Europe) are not.
I don't think you need to write a constitution. Maybe it just became popular after America won independence and so a lot of countries got one. Britain is famously conservative and had a massive Empire at the time so it wasn't likely to go in for these sort of ideals. We were too busy mythologising ourselves as the new Romans.
constitutions
are a quick, easy way for a new state (ie, the current (fifth?) french republic that was set up in 1945, rather than the general notion of 'france') to set up a legal and political process. ours has evolved over a long period of time, so we've never needed one.
Yep
most places with constitutions are recently (last 250 years or so) founded after some manner of revolution / civil war etc. As we've avoided that kind of embarrassing behaviour for the last 400 years or so, we just let it slide.
"As we've avoided that kind of embarrassing behaviour for the last 400 years or so"
brilliant :D
BZZZT
i'm surprised nobody has corrected me here. the fifth french republic was set up in 1958, not 1945.
it's just france
no one cares about them
To be honest I learned something to hear they had a fifth republic
Makes the Germans seem quite restrained in only getting to three reichs in the time the French got to four...
^
essentially this.
you've got to remember that the british state has existed essentially uninterrupted in its current form for close to 500 years now. we've had no invasions or foreign occupations or revolutions and so no chances to start afresh, unlike just about every other country.
so it's resulted in a situation where we have piles and piles of legislation that covers all of the bases of a constitution, but no single document that encompasses it all in a neat little package.
Article 48
The Weimar Constitution
"If a state [1] does not fulfill the obligations laid upon it by the Reich[2] constitution or Reich laws, the Reich President may use armed force to cause it to oblige."
Written constitutions can be very dangerous. The WC was written at a time when marshal law seemed to be a necessary option. But years down the line it is abused 'democratically' (by Hitler).
But by the same token
by the time anyone's worked through the masses and masses of legislation that makes up our "constitution", it's too late to argue ;)
It wasn't just by Hitler
Article 48 was routinely abused from 1929 onwards, in fact democracy basically stopped in Germany in 1931
I realise this was a serious point
but I just imagined that being said by Chris Morriss in The Day Today.
What everyone else has said.
We do have a constitution. We also have a large and fairly sophisticated body of constitutional law. What we lack is (a) a single codified document and (b) a constitutional court akin to the Supreme Court in the US.
Again, as others have said, our political history explains that. Because of doctrines like Parliamentary Sovereignty and the fact that nothing major has happened since the Restoration, we have no perceived need for a written document, and we're suspicious of giving lawyers the final say over politicians.
ok it's a bit clearer now
thanks everyone
Because we would be cuting our own noses off to spite our face
If we decided to make it 'not work'
PS I do not recognise the UKS rights over me, other than that which they can compell me to do by duress. I behave as I see fit (sometimes this involves communal rights that I agree with, sometimes i am compelled to do stuff otherwise I will be penalised. It is not with my permission and I do not advocate the state, although if it were to fall then my children would suffer, therefore I do not wish it to fall as it has replaced any other society/community that would be there otherwise. There is no option to 'choose' what rules you live under, therefore any state claiming sovereignty over its geodraphic population is not voluntary, although it can often be fortuitous given some other states malign ness in comparrison.
Given this, it matters not one bit about a constitution, i have no ability to change or amend any hypothetical constitution, no matter how valid my contribution (it would instead depend WHO I was and what position I had)
you're just a good lookin' rebel who plays by his own rules!
Without the good lookin'
:('''
Your profile picture is DISTURBING, dude.
That is not me
It is a picture of a PC world sales assistant. I will change it