I really can't stand them. Walking around in their 'rugby jersies', compalining about their brand new car. I heard this one guy in my office just going on and on about how much money he has. Why do people do this? The thing is, everyone in the office thinks he's a prick, so why does he continue with the bragging? I can't wait till we get rid of the monarchy, then slowly but surely this ridiculous hierachical, public school boy bullshit will fade away.
Can't imagine there's many toffs on DiS. I can't really imagine many public school bullies being that found of Bon Iver.
imatoff!
bloody nitwits
is what they are
True, but you know what I hate more?
Really poor people.
DiS
middle class heaven
I'm not middle class
This is hell for me
^WORKINGCLASSHERO
there's nothing wrong..
with rich people.
It's just the people that find a need to brag about everything. and have stupid accents.
you found bon iver?
you should give him back to jools, they lost him last night
was he on Jools Holland?
I missed it. But then again, I can't afford a TV.
he wasn't
mick hucknall replaced him
also
i live in durham so toffs vs regular and poor people is a regular thing
They're also incredibly dull people as well
I have a good friend who went to university with a couple and although they're 'ok' people if you ignore the ruddy cheeks, prince harry haircut and pink shirts, they're incredibly dull. But yes most of them are utter utter utter cunts
There was loads of them at Reading
there was one halls of residence which was partially funded by a former student from way back, who would only continue to contribute if 90% of it's intake was from public schools. I knew someone who was in the 10% who wasn't, apparently it was hell.
i knew a girl from middlesbrough who went to durham uni
and the girls in her flat in the college halls treat her like utter scum and basically acted like she was some kind of servant.
she got a first, none of them got more than a 2.2
Yeah, but they probably had more fun.
doubt it - she was just one of those people who get by
seemingly effortlessly
but i bet they've all walked into better jobs than the one she got
This happened to me there too
I was universally loathed (misunderstood) by these cretins by virtue of having an accent outside that of Kensington.
thats what you call them
everyone at my college is like this so im kind of used to it.
I thought this might be about
the old fashioned football shirt company :(
acis!
http://www.classicfootballshirts.co.uk/images/Blackburn-94-GK-BoysAN.gif
This kinda thing doesn't really have shit to do with the monarchy.
Nor is it exclusively a public school thing. This kinda behaviour is pretty frequently state-educated people over-compensating.
i think it stems from it, to be honest
we've got in place an age old hierarchy. it's all about being connected, from the royals, to the lords to the whatevers.
I just fucking hate it. They are the worst type of all. I'd rather listen to some degenernt skag head than hear another word from this "oh no jeremy's using the yaucht this weekend" prick
In a country of 60 million people,
few people are closely connected to the monarchy(or even the aristocracy as a whole). Our social hierarchy may well have originated from it, but it's certainly not dependent on it in the present day.
One of our uni physics lecturers was about 250th in line for the throne.
He was committed after our third year. No one was surprised.
I saw George Osbourne
on the news last night saying something in the commons, when he sat down David Cameroon patted him on the shoulder as if to say 'splendid Georgie'. It made me want to kick my TV in the face.
RA RA PASHMINA
People who go on about how much money they have
have a small penis. Even the women.
i wish i was a "toff"
i have a couple of friends who are about my age or younger who are MEGAMEGA rich. Like they have their own house paid for by their parents, loads of cash, all the computer consoles, 4 holidays abroad every year, that sort of thing. It is very easy to be jealous but they are so generous and do seem to appreciate what they have. You also realize that just because someone has got money it doesn't end all their problems. I think it's human nature to be unhappy with things sometimes no matter what you have.
I've come from quite a poor background but i've learnt not to discriminate against anyone because of where they are from and what they have. Many of my friends have this inverse snobbery towards people with more money and i think it's pointless.
However if this guy really is a prick then yeah, tell him!
are you pip pirrip?
whoooooooooo?
Don't worry..
he get's told quite abit. But he never listens.
I'm really not jealous, and i couldn't think of anything worse than being a toff. I've learnt the value of money, never had a handout in my life. This guy gets mummy & daddy to pay for everything and is always bragging about it.
I have nothing against people with money. But there's a way to go about your business. If you wanna wear a suite and nice watch, great, you look good, everyone notices and you get complimented. But don't go up into someone's face, tell them how much it cost and make it apparent they will never be able to afford it.
ah ok
yeah well he sounds like a prick. Threads like this on here very quickly change morph into stories of the richer fucking over the poorer types. It's a circle of hatred!
In a bit of a sub thread, who is your favourite toff? Mine has to be Raef off the Apprentice. A brilliant man.
hearing someone utter the words
"Ooh, today I maxed out my ISA for the year!" brings on the mist.
i've maxed out the amount I'm allowed to put into my ISA
and I only earn just over £12,000 working pretty much full time.
it's commendable to do it
it's another thing to boast about it in a smarmy voice
There are TONNES of toffs on DiS.
TONNES.
Despite being quite well off (middle class, and thankful for it) whenever I meet anyone that went/goes to a private school I automatically go in "holiday rivalry" mode. I can't help myself. It's like knowing that somebody has the same background as you but just a little bit different. I'm so prejudiced and can't help it.
holiday rivalry mode?
>?
Like when you used to go on holiday
at a holiday camp/resort like butlins or something, and you would be waiting to use the football pitch or something and you turn up and there is a gang of similarily aged boys there already, and you both stare at each other for no reason. You know you're never going to see them after the holiday so you automatically build up a rivalry with them for a bit of fun. Kind of like the opposite of a holiday romance.
i have never encountered this bizarre phenomenon!
mind you, i've never been to a holiday camp/resort.
you brits are funny.
i hate it when boys think it's impressive
..to brag about money... and their wealth.. in order to 'wow' you..
my ex was like this. a proper gloaty toff. I hated it so much i lost any interest in him whatsoever and dumped him.
I went to public school!
kthxbai
^ Can't even spell, total waste of time and money.
x x x
and you are a tory.
*holiday rivalry mode times a million*
More evidence for the prosecution:
My dad has an MBE, my uncle is the Governor of Jersey, my godfather is the Governor of Gibraltar, they're both knights, I have several close friends called Harry, I'm going drinking with a guy called Louis at the weekend, both of his sisters work in fashion PR, at one point during the recent Rugby World Cup there were 3 old boys from my brother's school on the pitch for England, I've been to Buckingham Palace twice (and not through the tourist entrance)and the last girl I slept with is called Jocasta!
I can envisage you knocking my Solero into the sand in fury.
*Builds up faux-working class resentment*
But you like the smiths so its cool.
I was wearing a Smiths shirt last night at an R&B night (long story)
a pretty indie girl sought me out amongst the throng and we went outside and chatted about real music whilst smoking and cursing our friends for being lame, I'm seeing her again on Saturday!
Morrissey: Bringing people together.
^Is this a joke?
Jocasta? You fucked an alien from Star Wars?
No, she was great!
Pretty natural blonde, total freespirit, amazing green eyes, epic legs, prefers cherry coke to the regular variety and owns all 5 Weezer albums.....that part imprsses me the most, I've NEVER met a girl who owns all 5 before, NEVER.
i'm in love
what is the definition of a toff though?
is it just attitude?
or the way they dress?
or how much their parents earn? (if so, whats the bracket?)
etc..
attitude...
bragging
one-up-manship
going on about themselves
aristocats dont really do that
more traits of gauche nouveau riche
I my experience:
Went to public school (usually) or private school, usually in the South of England
Went to Oxbridge, Exeter or St Andrews
Wears country wear in town
Talks in more of a posh, affected voice than strictly necessary
Drives a fuck off 4x4
Usually has really taffy hair (think Prince Harry) if male or an extreme side parting (Raef apprentice) or blonde bed-hair if female. Sometimes with a barette.
Is snooty to waiters (me)
Lives on a farm in Oxfordshire, Fulham, Wandsworth or Hampstead
Is called
Clemmie, Henry, Giles, Georgina, Jemima, Rupert or Hamish
I'm every single one of these except the 4x4
and waiter bits.
And you seem to have been constantly snotty throughout your DiS posting career, from what I remember
Funny that.
That's because I'm only on here nowadays when I'm too tired/moody
to do anything worthwhile.
Where are these farms in Fulham?
I want to check them out!
I work in a restaurant in Battersea
so I certainly have my fill. Blargh, bore off Giles and Jemima, I could not give a rat's arse about your recent ski trip or upcoming garden party
I'm sure they couldn't give a fuck about you.
When one is the type of person who enjoys ski trips or yachting or whatever, it makes perfect sense that one might talk about it. It's not them being snobby or bragging or shoving it in your poor proletariat face, brashness and outspokeness is just something inherent to the public school 'character' (uurgh), it doesn't mean shit.
they generally compete with wealth.
it's not hard to notice.
They don't do it to me
I just have to listen to them constantly trying to out do each other ;o)
yeah thats what i mean
surely you get a lot of people...
that behave this way....
but aren't actually that wealthy? seems to me, it's mostly about behaviour/attitude
Exactly
DW's list is:
attitude
bragging
one-up-manship
going on about themselves
All of which can quite easily apply to people who aren't rich. Its just people don't like being reminded that they'll never be that financially secure.
that's bollocks
i could add to that:
stupid voices
going on about money
flashy
pompous.
i'd rather be finacially insecure with friends than rich and everyone thinking im the biggest cunt
I was just listing what you yourself wrote
Also, I don't think stupid voices, being flashy or being pompous are restricted to the overly-rich either.
I'm sure toffs everywhere will sleep easy tonight now that they know you're ok with being financially insecure.
^^^^^
seems like he's a bigger arsehole than the people he's slagging off
Its a fair cop
actually heard in the toff halls at Reading uni:
"Walter....are you coming to the bash tonight? I hear Coloured Glyn's going to be there!"
They do have funny names!
Coloured Glyn, he was a character!
Does anyone remember the time he whited up for the Eskimo bar crawl?
There was an article in the G2 last week
about how a massive proportion of MPs are privately educated and how david cameron, boris johnson and george osborne were members of the 'bullingdon club' at oxford - an exclusively male club for toffs to go about boozing, damaging 'civilians' stuff and then paying them off. And to think cameron might be our next prime minister :-(
It's depressing that toffs still hold so many positions of power in this country. Just listening to the today programme makes this extremely evident.
Whereas the upper echelons of the Labour and Liberal Democrat parties
are full of people you grew up on council estates and only have street education
Well
I didn't say it was solely a conservative problem did I. Can only get worse if the tories get back in power though.
Can it?
How else can the poorest sections of society be fucked over? Fair enough, you don't like the Conservative Party, but the whole class-war anti Tory rhetoric is tired and just doesn't work when you think about it.
Hang on,
I think you're misinterpreting me rather. I'm not trying to get into class-war anti tory rhetoric, I'm just bemoaning the fact that so many people in positions of power are toffs. Hence my today programme comment - it's not just MPs, almost anyone in a senior position they get on to talk sounds like a toff. Maybe that's more symptomatic of it being radio 4, but still...
It seemed implicit
Apologies if I was mistaken. But still, the use of the word 'toff' is a bit off really. Reverse classism.
no
but they do tend to be from less privileged backgrounds on average (massively more Conservative MPs having been privately educated and having gone to top universities than Labour MPs).
Of course it is arguable whether this matters and that you need to be more representative of your electorate to do a better job.
That may well be true
but I think you can reach a certain level of privilege (by which you are privately educated or can afford to live somewhere with very good, reputable state schools, Mummy and Daddy can afford to pay for you at university and can set you up with a job after) in which you are set up for life, even if you aren't in the most privileged group. Virtually all MPs, regardless of politics fit under this so it isn't worth nitpicking over who is more privileged
you can argue that
or you can argue that there are higher levels of privilege or elements of one's background which lead to a person being so divorced from the average that it is more difficult for them to grasp the realities of life for the majority of their constituents.
Of course you could
but then of course you'd do well to try and grapple with the numerous other variables, including many not derived from social background, class or wealth, that would also affect such a grasp of reality
you could
although unlikely that any would be so easily verifiable or gloablly influential as SES
sorry twat work-speak
socio-economic status
True, but you'd have to try and account for them
which is all besides my point really (which I quite happily distracted myself from) because all this talk of toffs is stupid. Its like referring to all working class people as chavs