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Portsmouth or Cardiff?
We ALLLLLLLL love Leeds
and Leeds and Leeds, Leeds and Leeds, Leeds and Leeds, WE ALL FUCKING LOVE LEEDS!
I'm still drunked. Yessir.
They wern't one of the options
ha!
Um, Portsmouth? Anyone but Cardiff...
erm - go cardiff
not a cardiff fan but tend to side with the underdog.
I want Portsmouth to win
Both sides have only won the cup twice in their respective history, going for a team just because their the underdogs is silly. If it was a Premiership team that had won the cup many times I could understand it.
I want Portsmouth to win because it's the "English" FA Cup and should be one by an English team.
*won
COME ON YOU 'ULLLLLLLLLLLLL
Well done Leeds
left it late, but I don't suppose that matters at the end of the day.
Elsewhere:
Deco won't be at Barcelona next season.
Ricardo Carvalho is the latest Chelsea player who hasn't ruled out leaving in the summer. I guess it depends where, if anywhere Mourinho is next season.
Feyenoord are interested in Tal Ben Haim.
The Daily Express reports that the entire Man City squad is up for sale.
Bristol City will try and re sign Leroy Lita if they achieve promotion.
Wolves want Steve Howard
Martin O'Neill wants to sign Kevin Doyle.
Nottingham Forest want James Beattie for £4million.
Peter Taylor is being lined up to be the director of Newcastle's academy.
please do a proper thread
with a good title
like the old days of 2 weeks ago
Mauro Zarate to Arsenal?
Zarate is being linked in a number of papers to Arsenal. I would take him in a second, he always looked dangerous when he played for Birmingham and had a good eye for goal.
he only played
a handful of games didn't he?
Yep, 4 goals from 14 games I think
Im pretty sure they have
just got that story from one of the Arsenal blogs. And even he said it was just speculation, just linking quotes together.
Probably, we're systematically being linked with every player on the planet
Either way I would like to see him at Arsenal.
deco to arsenal please
purely for the reaction from olegrich
"great we have signed one of the most skilful players in the world"?
I'll go for a slightly different one
Deco's overrated
Also, I hate to put this argument forward because it smacks of mindless parochialism, but in the Premiership he'll get about half the time on the ball that he gets in La Liga and quite likely get the shit kicked out of him. I'm not sure he could handle it.
^this
hes ace but not built for the premiership.hes more tempermental than c.ronaldo
Also
PLAY UP POMPEY!!!
^ this!
C. Ronaldo
rocking the boat
probably because the captain
slightly brushed against him
C.Ronaldo
Negotiating an improved contract.
Leeds who?
It's all about the Blues this weekend.
Nope, not the FA Cup final. The mighty Shrimpers AKA Southend United FC.
Come on Barney, get fit you lightweight ex-Spurs fucker - we need you!
Getting sweaty palms already...
you play tonight
not this weekend.
you must be a huge fan...
oh, and Leeds UNITED
remember that name, if you do get through to the final you'll be taking a pasting from them.
My weekend starts on Friday
I guess you're too busy watching Will and Grace
yes...
that's what ALL proper football fans do.
Friday night
is pretty much the weekend
It was probably more
"Stop asking me these questions."
That said, if he adds the Champions League with Man U as well as the Premiership, there is nothing more they can offer him but money - which may not matter any more.
Madrid can get fucked
does my head in how this comes every single summer, usually thanks to shitstirring from that propaganda rag Marca. He's said he'll stay at United (for the next couple of years at least) time and again, but the press keep pushing until they get their desired answer.
I'm fairly confident he'll stay, if not the £100m transfer fee (which surely no player could ever live up to) will scratch the surface of Malc's debt repayments.
I fucking hate Marca
I think they alternate daily between stories linking Fabregas to Real Madrid and Barca
Congrats to Leeds, deserved it over the full tie.
I have nothing else to say about that, but invite you not to crow as I'm being noble.
Regards
A Crestfallen Carlisle Fan
I shalln't.
cracking team spirit you've got there mate. And what a keeper. We did, just about, deserve it. But the way we did it must have been horrible.
Your time will come.
Cheers mate,
I like you!
Worried that keeper might be off mind...
3-2 to the Referee
So, as expected, the 97th minute goal on Monday proved crucial and the conspiracy theories about the Football League doing everything in their power to get Cheats United promoted look a distinct possibility after last night.
Not that I care as I'll be watching Mono at ATP in 8 hours! Happy days...and of course the fact we've already been promoted to the Championship helps too!
We all hate LeedsSCUM!
We all hate LeedsSCUM!
We all hate LeedsSCUM!
We all hate LeedsSCUM!
Seriously Dom, just fuck off, yeah?
For once Dom
Do shut up. I didn't want Leeds to win last night for more reasons than you but I'll accept they did and just get on with it.
I've had more shit at work this morning than is fair!
Yeah...
refs LOVE us, don't they? Did you watch the game?! The ref gave us fuck all. Granted, the first leg goal game VERY late, but there were lots of subs and an injury. Someone on another site I go on has worked it out and it was valid.
The FA doing everything they could to get us promoted? You mean like docking us an extra 15 points and not explaining why? And then not giving us them back and still not explaining why?
Stop talking such utter shite you bitter twat. We've been shat on, time and time again but still we keep coming back.
See you next season. We'll shit on you, whoever you are.
Fuck em all, fuck em all, the long and the short and the tall, cos we are United and we are the best, we are United so fuck all the rest.
This bit...
"The FA doing everything they could to get us promoted? You mean like docking us an extra 15 points and not explaining why? And then not giving us them back and still not explaining why?"
Is utter bollocks. It was explained by the league at the time, and there's a 52 (from memory) page document released publicly by their tribunal stating all the details and reasoning behind the arbitration decision. I'll even take the time to hunt the document out again if you want to see the proof.
sorry, i phrased that badly.
there were reasons, but they amounted to 'you took too long' (which we didn't, the Football League did).
i guess i'm just bitter. there is one reason that has validity- when we were offered 'the golden share' we took it on the basis that we wouldn't challenge the 15 points.
But basically Leeds got away lightly
with the 15 point deduction, they should in all reality have gone out of business and lost their place in the leauge. The fact that Bates was allowed to buy them back while screwing all the creditors was only because Leeds were a 'big club'
i'm not gonna defend Bates
for anything, ever. scum bag. get the chelsea out of leeds.
there were two other buyers with valid bids. so we wouldn't have gone out of business. god knows how he managed to win. i fucking wish he hadn't.
As the main
secured creditor (allegedly), he had power of veto over the bids and was able to gain preferred status in the 24 hour process (which was massively stacked against the other two groups interested at the time). He also put a very limited timespan on his bid that forced the process to be concluded quickly.
Looking through
you (or rather Bates) didn't go through the formal CVA procedure - apparently because a number of legal challenges were recieved over his apparent dealing with the major creditors. As such, no CVA was entered into, but the assets were sold onto the new company, sidestepping the process for unsecured creditors of the old company. After discussions with the league (who should have demoted to League 2 by their rules if the share was transferred, but were allowed discretion to vary the penalty) they agreed to transfer the share in exchange for 15 points. As you say, one of the clauses in the legal agreement signed was a waiver of Leeds right to go to arbitration - the only right of appeal was if the League didn't fulfil their commitment to transfer the share properly.
With the delays, the first was down to Leeds first attempting to appeal to the FA. A couple of weeks after member clubs had confirmed the penalty, Leeds appealed to the FA and this caused the delay to mid-Febuary. They could have appealed to the Football League concurrently, but chose not to. Similarly, after this, they decided to go to the high court afterwards, which caused a further 5/6 week delay. As part of this, the defending lawyers suggested that it should go to a "Regulation K" arbitration (the stuff in April). However, it took a month for Leeds to actually file this request after they'd agreed to follow the process.
Given that Leeds chose not to file for arbitration until March 19th, I fail to see how you can claim that it's the League's fault that they took too long?
*feels out of his depth*
*and walks away sheepishly*
can i not just say 'we was robbed' and pretend that was the case?!
Yeah,
but I'll argue with you :o)
How different was it to the Boston case?
Or the Halifax one?
Boston and Halifax
earned points decductions for going into administration. Leeds also got this (last season) - they've lost 25 points in total.
Yeah but aren't they similar situations
with the cva, yet Boston and Halifax got relegated and Leeds got away with a 15 point deduction. Or is there a major difference?
Boston and Halifax would have been relegated anyway
IIRC (although would have to check). The penalty didn't cause the relegation since they were too far behind. Leeds got the 10 points last season, and it didn't put them in the relegation zone.
Both Boston and Halifax then went through a CVA, agreeing terms with their creditors whereas Leeds didn't and sidestepped the process by forming a new company, meaning that some creditors therefore had no way of getting anything out of it.
As the league membership was with the old company, the league said that since the process that their rules say should be followed wasn't (for a variety of reasons, partly time and possibly some other more shady ones), they'd allow the membership to be taken over by the new company on condition that Leeds agreed an additional points deduction.
The alternatives were
- not to transfer the share and the club would fold entirely.
- to transfer the share and relegate Leeds.
They felt that since time constraints were claimed to be the main reason behind Leeds' actions that a points deduction was a more reasonable strategy.
But Boston were relegated
2 divisions straight from league 2 to BSN. Is that just the blue square rules? Can they give out different punishments than are given to league clubs?
Ah, that one...
Boston fell foul of slightly different FA and Conference Rules on their CVA. (agreed after their relegation, but before the Conference AGM where their place would have been confirmed).
Basically there's a FA "Football Creditors" rule that says all football debts in a CVA must be paid in full. The Inland Revenue automatically vote against any CVA where they don't get the same offer as other creditors, as was the case here, so to get the agreement through Boston had to revise theirs so that not all football debts were paid up 100%.
They were relegated (again) because of that.
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I'd imagine he'll have to go, sadly.
Scott Carson
The latest fringe Liverpool player to be pissed off by an over the top valuation that probably means he'll be going nowhere and rotting in the stiffs.
Villa will end up
just swapping their good players for Liverpool's cast offs, and noone will be better off at the end.
The Guardian reported yesterday
that there is a good chance that UEFA will be able to pass a rule which means academy players will have to sign their first contract with the club that trained them. As an Arsenal fan this will obviously affect us quite a lot but I still support it as I think it will make it fairer and benefit football as a whole.
could they not just
sign short contracts?
I'm not sure how it would work
maybe not allowed to move under 18, apparantle the EU would allow the ban under some protection of young people or something.
surely
UEFA can't make a player sign for a club if they don't want to
I wouldn't have thought so
They can probably introduce sanctions that make 'poaching' players from other academies less attractive though
I felt at the start of the season
The Play Off Final in League One would be between Leeds and Southend, but now we're here I'm getting the distinct impression we'll fall at the last hurdle.
On our day we can kick any teams ass in this league - Leeds well and truly included. And I've never truly forgiven them for effectively relegating us both last season and being selfish.
We'll see. At least it's nice supporting a team where you don't know what you get. 5 years ago, we were 3 games away from the Conference.
Now we're the only team in the world with a 100% record against Man U.
Happy days...
good luck tonight
i hate donny (although part of me would love to beat them in the final).
if someone had told me at the beginning of the season we'd be in the play off final i'd have laughed and not believed them.
likewise, on our day (like last night but so rarely) we can beat anyone in this league. so it could well be a very good game!
Cheers mate
I think you may get your wish regardless. I fear we'll capitulate but here's hoping...
two obvious highlights:
On seeing the wages on offer Crap Ronaldo admits he'll probably go to a big club.
City are about to put their best squad in thirty years up for sale because boo hoo, the manager's more popular that the cock-end owner. Don't get me wrong, it's be nice to see the back of a lot of 'em, but the fact that Hart, Dunne, Corluka, Richards, Onuoha, Gelson, Johnson, Ireland, Petrov & Elano will all be snapped up instantly be sides higher than us in the league should send out warning signals to the idiot. It was never going to be plane sailing but this is fucking ridiculous. I can feel another Forward With Franny campaign coming on, well, almost...
elano to arsenal please
surely more likely
arsene'd sign someone like Michael Johnson, or maybe GElson
Elano is not good
Please can everyone stop thinking he is. He had three good games at the start of the season and the fact he's been virtually anonymous ever since doesn't seem to matter.
^ this is fucking funny, provided you're not a city fan
which you are.
still, fit and proper persons, don't get into bed with dodgy dictators, etc....okay, i feel a bit bad taking the high horse, but i realy can't say i'm surprised with the man, it just seems...inevitable.
I have to agree.
I've always been against the idea in principle, but like most fans (not just of our club but of any club barring the big three really) you turn a blind eye to it because you're that deperate to acheive something. Sadly, though, stuff like this will always happen at City, because they've got that losing mentality engrained in them after years and years of stupid decisions, underachievment and idiots running the club. The whole situation just seems ridiculous, for the first time in years, we're producing top drawer young players, can attract world class foreigners, have a decent manager and one who has the absolute undivided support of the fans. If there's an issue between owner and boss then sack him quickly, get a big-name replacement in, explain the reasons to fans and get building for next season. Rather than that he's dithered, leaked stories to the press, leading to senior players throwing games and refusing to sign new deals. Your support always lies with the club, but if they let Richard Dunne leave, who's been an absolute man moutain over the last four years and in many ways the head and front of the club, and Michael Johnson, who will without doubt go onto be one of the top midfielders in the country, then you have to make a stance. It boils down to people with too much money and power being able to rip the soul out of peoples livelyhoods just for the sake of it, and he's being very naive if he thinks the fans won't take it into their own hands if he carries on behaving like this.
Martin Jol took the HSV job
so there'll be no return to English football just yet for his comedy accent.
I never knew he used to play for Coventry.
My old man says he was a horrific player.
I'm not sure if I believe the Bristol City/Leroy Lita story.
I mean it's a kind of obvious rumour to start as he's an ex-City player but at the same time I suppose it's also an obvious signing to make as we need a striker and he's an ex-Bristol City player.
Probably be a good move though. He struggled last season but I think he potentially can score goals in the Premier League and if we go up we do need someone who can do that...