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  • no.

    • YES

      • HAIL SATAN.

        • Yeah, that's a good song

          but so much more because of the lyrics than the music.

  • Can someone I've never heard of be overrated?

    • The Mountain Goats

      • And yes

        • Overrated by who?

          The six people on here who love him? Does anyone else in the world even talk about him/them?

          I've got two Mountain Goats albums. They're pretty good.

          • Pitchfork always compare The Thermals to them/him

            so they're bigger than The Thermals. THINK ABOUT IT, BAMOS.

            • he is bigger than the thermals though

              what kinda stuff have you been listening to by him, im not so much into the full band stuff myself...

            • Man

              The Thermals are so good.

      • don't usually post in threads like these

        so feel privileged.

        no. no. no.

  • Alright lyricist though

  • Adam

    this is actually unforgivable.

    • yeah, wtf.

      • I am 100% serious.

        There is NO Zapsta to me anymore.

  • wrong, i reckon:

    ' the most remarkable thing,
    about you, standing in the doorway,
    is that it's you,
    and you are standing in the doorway.'

  • I'd write a really long winded reply to this

    But it is just so categorically wrong I really can't be bothered..

    What Mountain Goats stuff have you listened to that makes you think this, out of interest?

    • Like... All Hail West Texas

      And Tallahassee. And Zopilote Machine. And The Coroner's Gambit. Yeah.

      • you suck

        so much.

        Or you would if you weren't DEAD TO ME.

      • tallahassee is great

        i've never gotten massively into the coroner's gambit, and i haven't heard the others. have you listened to the sunset tree?

      • Listen to The Sunset Tree

        Its easily their most accessible, and least lo fi. It seems unlikely you'll change your opinion based on it but, you know, worth a try...

        And I suppose its all subjective really but looking at your profile you seem to like quite a few similar types of bands/artists etc, so it seems odd to me that you'd feel this way, particularly with NMH amomg your favourites...

        Its all about the imagery and lyrics and as such I personally think its okay if the melody etc comes second when they're quite as good as this. To be fair, asides from Tallahassee, you've only listened to his lo fi stuff so try some later stuff, see how it goes...

  • i actually think

    that he's a tiny bit overrated lyrically (not bad by any means, but not always as amazing as he's given credit for). but i still love the last few albums a lot (except get lonely which is pretty dull). there are some really great arrangements and the production is fantastic, and i'm a big fan of his voice. i haven't heard much of the older, more lo-fi stuff though.

    • Don't bother

      It all sounds the same.

      • kinda like guided by voices, huh

        • *Nothing* like Guided by Voices at *all*

          • it is really

            though, huh

  • he is a brilliant lyricist

    and when you are a brilliant lyricist all you need are adequate chord progression to make brilliant songs. But I would agree as a musician he is not that special but that doesnt matter.

    • I agree with all of that

      apart from the "that doesn't matter". And the "all you need" bit. So not all of it. But I agree with your assessment of his talents.

      • so many great songs if you strip away the lyrics

        there is nothing special musically going on underneath, I dont think it matters for the type of folky music he plays.

  • he's one of the best lyricists of all time

    and he turns incredibly simple chord progressions and strumming patterns into awesome, impactful songs. Ergo, he's a great songwriter.

    • I wholehearedly

      agree with this here OceanStorm.

      And personally I'm a "lyrics>>>music" person, so I obviously think he's a genius.

  • I've been on drowned in sound

    for about 6 months now.

    I cannot think of any thread title I have disagreed with more than this.

    Intelligent lyrics that tell stories and have beautiful quirky humour. The best line in imagery of any songwriter I can think of. All set to either stripped down acoustic backing or a rich full sound. What's not to love?

    • .

      their union chapel show last year one of my favourite shows ever

  • You're all just proving how overrated he is

    • you don't make sense.

      people liking him doesn't mean he's overrated. just means you don't like him as much.
      weirdo.

      • He's overrated though

        ^^^^^^ look how much ^^^^^^

  • not really. i'd rather listen to him than say, elliott smith.

    People saying stuff like this used to get me rilled up; but i struggle to care anymore. Ok, great, you don't like. You're loss. Yawn.

    • It's just a discussion

      • not really.

        People are saying why they like him, and you're shooting them down and telling people to not bothering listening to them. Nice.

        • Erm... no I'm not

          I'm saying why I *don't* like him and saying why I think he's overrated. Why's that any less valid than making comments in the positive? I think everyone who's posted in this thread is pretty familiar with his/their work anyway, so telling them not to bother would be somewhat futile.

  • you're also a cock.

  • Aw hell no

    I think he's the best storytelling songwriter we've got these days. And if his songs are musically pretty simple, they're all the better for it. But more to the point, he's not even that well known! To say he's overrated is fucking harsh, man.

    • It's not harsh at all!

      It's pretty much the least harsh negative thing you can say about someone! Especially someone as highly rated as he is. I don't think he's shit; I think he gets an undue amount of acclaim. I agree that he's a great storyteller, but there's a massive leap from storyteller to songwriter.

  • i think his biggest strength

    is that he's an incredible performer. he totally nails it on his records almost every single time.