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The Weekly DiScussion: just what are we celebrating here?

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Somehow, every year the Nationwide Mercury Prize panel produces a shortlist of 12 ‘Albums Of The Year’ – the year being 12 months since the last Mercury prize shortlist was announced – that leaves me wanting more.

Of course the list is based on a degree of subjectivity – while the panel is ultimately responsible for the final 12, individual opinions are assessed on their own merits. Everyone consulted has their say, and listens to a lot of music to reach this stage. The list that was revealed at 11.30 this morning to a room full of industry high-fliers and bottom feeders might not be the most brilliant representation of the last year of British music, but it is a representation.

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Video: highlights of 2007's Mercury Prize (won by Klaxons)

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But why isn’t it brilliant? What below is truly, quintessentially British? Just who are we celebrating? A shadowy dubstep musician who, while a popular choice to win, will not turn up to collect his award if he (or she?!) triumphs. (Plus, remember what happened to Roni Size / Reprezent? Dubstep is over if Burial wins the Mercury.) A couple of Americans – one a country singer based in Illinois, the other a producer from Los Angeles – and an R&B artist who’s publicly criticised her homeland and declared she’d rather live in the States, stating domestic racist attitudes were preventing black musicians from enjoying the success of white peers, and more pertinently inferior artists of a different, ‘more acceptable’ skin colour. Perhaps she has a point, but Shine was still a commercial hit, albeit one aided by the success of a number one single featuring an American rapper of a much higher profile, Kanye West. Shine also features, and is given shape by: will.i.am (American), Wyclef Jean (honorary American), Mark Ronson (likewise… don’t give me that London-born shit ‘cause he’s posh-end New York through and through), Cee-Lo Green (American), John Legend (American)…

There is no ‘wrong’ Mercury shortlist – albums are selected on subjective grounds and as such there can never be a list that appeases an individual fully. At the announcement, held at a Covent Garden club, Lauren Laverne announced that she hoped there was “something for everyone”. I don’t doubt she honestly believes that’s the case, but ‘everyone’ is not likely to check out either the Portico Quartet or Rachel Unthank; nor is the majority of ‘everyone’ aware of Laura Marling, Neon Neon, or Burial. ‘Everyone’, sadly, will pick up the compilation CD that’ll undoubtedly become available in a week or two, play the three songs they know by The Last Shadow Puppets, Adele and Estelle (and, if they’re really broadminded, Radiohead and Elbow too), and ignore what organisers hope is the point of the Mercury: that British music is brilliant and there to be celebrated in the most public way possible. No genre boundaries. No age limitations. Anything can and will go. Free spirits welcomed.

So, the crux: why does the list always leave me wanting more? Why does it read like a collection of solid seven-out-of-tens with one or two genuine records of repeat-play magnificence rather than straight-up tens across the board? Or, to bring the DiScussion to a head: where the fuck are Wild Beasts?

I joke, slightly, but it is puzzling that a 60-year-old stadium veteran is shortlisted when he needs neither exposure nor prize money (Raising Sand is already at platinum status sales wise) but great British artists who’ve produced records that resonate with unique character traits and a singular songwriting methodology – Mystery Jets, M.I.A., Fuck Buttons (okay, I know, they were never ever likely to make the 12, but still, no British album has been as euphorically intense as Street Horrrsing since Klaxons made off with the last Mercury), and, just to ram this home, Wild Beasts – are left in the cold. Radiohead will give the prize money away, and that’s fine. But they don’t need the exposure either. I know it’s not about that. It’s not about fighting the underdog’s corner (and every now and again a number one album is actually number one because it’s absolutely amazing, as In Rainbows is). But the Mercury could do more to highlight the bands that do make Britain great in the year 2008. Robert Plant (pictured proving his modern relevance) has nothing to offer. He is a husk. Let him sell his records to an established audience and let’s all get on with praising the bands that need more attentions looking in their direction.

Anyway… there’s nothing ‘wrong’ about the list in my opinion. All the albums qualify for inclusion (just about), and they’ve all (just about) enough fans to warrant their shortlist berth. But… you know just as well as I do that again the omissions are more remarkable than most of the selected.

That list of 12 (William Hill odds in brackets):

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Video: British Sea Power, 'No Lucifer', from Do You Like Rock Music?

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Adele, 19 (8/1, review)
British Sea Power, Do You Like Rock Music? (8/1, review)
Burial, Untrue (6/1, review)
Elbow, The Seldom Seen Kid (6/1, review)
Estelle, Shine (8/1)
The Last Shadow Puppets, The Age of the Understatement (5/1, review)
Laura Marling, Alas I Cannot Swim (8/1, review)
Neon Neon, Stainless Style (10/1, review)
Portico Quartet, Knee Deep in the North Sea (10/1)
Radiohead, In Rainbows (5/1, reviews)
Rachel Unthank & The Winterset, The Bairns (10/1)
Robert Plant & Alison Krauss, Raising Sand (6/1)

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Video: Laura Marling, 'Ghosts', from Alas I Cannot Swim

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The winner of this year’s Nationwide Mercury Prize will be announced live on BBC Two on Tuesday 9 September 2008.

DiScuss: What should the Mercury Prize be used for? To highlight great new acts that deserve a breakthrough, or to backslap the already minted? As much as I love Radiohead – and they have never won the Mercury, for what that’s worth – there’s little benefit to them being given the award this year, as In Rainbows has sold amazingly well. Who do you think will win this year, anyway? Elbow? Good shout. And British Sea Power and Laura Marling, actually. Burial’s got to be a contender, but really: why risk giving the award to a complete stranger? Oh. I see… he is a stranger. Gotcha.



  • This is pretty frustrating

    When there are albums that are some of the very best of the year, not just in the UK, that haven't got a look in. Portishead and MIA aren't exactly obscure either so I am pretty surprised they aren't in there.

    When you see BSP's album (not bad, but not really brilliant either) in there over those two it seems ridiculous.

    On the "token" acts, I think that it is good they have a couple in there (if they are good at what they do), as I probably will give them a listen and wouldn't have come across them otherwise.

    • maybe

      domino didn't pay the fee for wild beasts? they probably did, but there are plenty of interesting groups who simply couldn't afford to cough up on the off-chance they'd get shortlisted. so there's that immediate barrier to a huge number of acts.

      • Wait wait

        They have to PAY to be entered now? Isn't everyone eligible?

        • It sometimes reads like a list of what people think should be there...

          ...rather than what actually deserves to be there, if that makes any sense.

          • heheh

            '(Plus, remember what happened to Roni Size / Reprezent? Dubstep is over if Burial wins the Mercury.)'

            dubstep was around long before Burial and will be long after no doubt. Just people that buy the guardian and Q might not buy it anymore...

            Plus Dizzee Rascal won it all them years ago and he was/might still be number one at the moment. He has gone thru the roof since he won.

            I'm struggeling to see what this prize is about. They seem to want it to be diffrent to all the other awards out thre for music and give 'good' music a chance, but then they fill the list every year with a couple of crackers and the rest is filler.

            I guess it doesn't really matter its just for sellin more records and somat to do aint it.

          • I believe there is an entrance fee

            and that the band / label must submit a certain number of CDs.

            • i think

              it's always been a case of having to pay several hundred pounds just to be considered. some labels probably pay for all their bands, like domino i would assume, if they can afford it. many labels can't afford to spare several hundred, especially not the way things are at present. bit disgusting really, paying for yorke et al to have another free night dining out.

            • doesn't this just underline

              that there haven't been many good british albums released lately?

              aidan moffat for my money.

              • mr diver

                there must be an easy way of finding out the entrance fee at DiS towers. have no dis releases been entered in recent years? anderson perhaps? be very interested to hear how much it is this year.

              • Yeah pretty much

                though at least I like some of this year's shortlist, in contrast to last year. MIA not being on it is pretty daft. But it does seem as if the USA and Canada (or indeed, anywhere but the UK) seem to have the lions share of great albums lately.

              • "no British album has been as euphorically intense as Street Horrrsing since Klaxons made off with t

                Klaxons make euphoric music??

                • It's always an awful list

                  Normally filled with some of the best selling records of year, and also those that have received the most hype, particularly those from cool, en-vogue genres (new rave last year, dubstep now).
                  Overall though, the list is pointless, and doesn't represent the depth in British music...Adele's record was widely received as pretty mediocore, but it's sold loads so it must be good, right?

                  They need to limit the entrance for bands that have sold under 100,000 records. This would give some unknown bands the attention thy deserve, whilst also opening up the genres picked from, and not simple chucking in a few toek underground, folk, jazz, classical acts.

                  Until then, it remains a pointless facade dominated by major label, and highlights a lot of what is wrong with the British music scene.

                  • dubstep is hardly an en-vogue genre

                    this year there is only Burial who vuagly fits into that and most the scene aint even sure if he is dubstep or some kinda ambient garage or somat.

                    Nu-Rave last year had at least 2 or 3 albums in the list.

                  • No... well, yes...

                    ...I meant that as a time frame.

                  • I agree with you on the rest mind

                    whole heartedly

                    • Oh yeah, I don't think Dubstep is en-vogue now

                      maybe a couple of years back...but I'm talking from the perspective of journalists, who are normally about 3 years behind everything.

                      • yawn.......

                        am i the only one who is just a bit bored of this whole mercury debate. Every year without fail we get the the same articles, same discussions, banging on and on in another completely trivial debate about relevance, credibility etc etc.
                        Its a prize, based on opinions - no more no less
                        Yet for all the wibbling its still a better shortlist than you'll find for 99% of all other prizes/awards (ie brits, mtv).

                      • I heartily agree

                        where the fuck are wild beasts?

                      • here here

                        Most of my favourite albums from the past 12 months have been made by foreigners. But I would have liked to have seen ATP's Fuck Buttons included in this shortlist.

                      • Why are people so bothered?

                        I've never understood the level of excitement / frustration / general hype that the Mercury receives from the broadsheet / slightly-left-field areas of the music press. It's just another Brit award, and the shortlist largely reflects this. The 12 here are simply the most popular and talked about albums that can still be considered musically astute. The actual quality of the music is largely irrelevant.

                        Besides, even if the primary concern was the quality of music, the nominations and eventual winner are all decided by a tiny panel of industry insiders. Why does anyone care what these few people think? Can't you make up your own minds? Or is there such a desperation to have your own opinions validated?

                        Surely in an internet age where the opinions of millions are freely available music awards are rendered utterly useless.

                        • ah yeah true

                          the slow bunch of swines hehe

                        • elbow

                          would be worthy winners. They have toiled away, making some of the best pop music in britain and have released 4 outstanding albums, largely without the recognition of the radio 1 listening public.

                          Thus, I guess my opinion would have to be that the award should go to either up and coming acts with real, justifiable longevity or established acts who really deserve a shot at the big time.

                          • Exactly

                            But the sad thing about it is that the actual artists seem to fall for the hype. At least the careerist ones do.

                            Awards are a nonsense and they will mean nothing in the long term. How many awards did most "classic" artists win? And does it make any difference to our assessment of them now? Of course not.

                          • We just like talkin about music I think

                            so why not discuss the Mercury music prize?

                            I doubt any of us are that fussed by it to be honest.

                            • entrance fee

                              its 200 quid per act and you have to send 25 copies

                              • Pop Justice Twenty Quid Music Prize: Shortlist

                                'A&E' - Goldfrapp
                                'About You Now' - Sugababes
                                'Bleeding Love' - Leona Lewis
                                'Call The Shots' - Girls Aloud
                                'Dance Wiv Me' - Dizzee Rascal feat Calvin Harris
                                'Flux' - Bloc Party
                                'Money' - Daggers
                                'That's Not My Name' - The Ting TIngs
                                'Valerie' - Mark Ronson feat Amy Winehouse
                                'Ready For The Floor' - Hot Chip
                                'Song 4 Mutya (Out Of Control)' - Groove Armada feat Mutya Buena
                                'Stuck On Repeat' - Little Boots

                                Flux? really?

                              • Well obviously

                                i'm sure most people on here don't give a monkeys. But I do have friends and acquaintences who wouldn't blink twice at the Brit nominees, but work themselves up into a rage at the injustice of the Mercury. This can only be because they see it as more 'respectable'.

                                • If the Last Shadow Puppets win

                                  it will literally be the most boring thing ever

                                  Literally

                                • i just can't believe Portishead aren't on the list

                                  • they market it as

                                    something for the music lover your right, but it's kinda the music prize for people who get all their top music tips from sunday news papers. Nowt wrong with that if your enjoying it.

                                    • Future Of The Left

                                      were never going to be included, but are they not going to get the attention they deserve until after they break up? Is it the curse of Falco?

                                    • people not on list

                                      MIA
                                      Portishead
                                      The Bug
                                      spiritulised
                                      lightspeed champion
                                      max richter
                                      freighteened rabbit

                                      • The Bug

                                        wasn't released in time.

                                        • yep

                                          yeo was released on July 7th, cut off point was 14th july

                                          • Not that I really care much about the Mercury's

                                            but i'm amazed that Portishead didn't make the top 12. Genuinely.

                                            But am I surprised? Considering both Adele and Estelle made the cut? Not really.

                                            • Agreed

                                              It's a good thing if even a few people pick up Laura Marling or Neon Neon or Portico Quartet because of this. It just bothers me that such weight is placed on winning any such arbitrary prize. The world is a very weird place.

                                            • To be fair

                                              most of those are shit.

                                            • Assumed it was 1/7

                                              They would have plenty of time to listen to it then if it was 14th.

                                            • I was so sure Foals would be nominated

                                              a bit surprised they wern't

                                              • ^ definitely

                                                Although, MIA and Portishead should blatantly be in it rather than LOTSP and Adele.

                                              • A few comments...

                                                "Robert Plant (pictured proving his modern relevance)..."

                                                Hehee...

                                                So, did DiS Records submit the Martha Wainwright and Youthmovies albums for consideration?

                                                And many awards, such as the Student Radio Awards, stipulate an admission fee, so I'm not sure why some people have singled out the Mercury Prize for criticism in this respect.

                                                Here is an interesting article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2007/sep/06/popandrock.mercuryprize2007

                                                • Martha Wainwright...

                                                  of course, wouldn't be eligible. Silly me.

                                                  But the point about Youthmovies still stands.

                                                • steveholt:

                                                  "it remains a pointless facade dominated by major label"

                                                  This would suugest otherwise:

                                                  http://www.musicweek.com/story.asp?storycode=1034910

                                                • Seems like an ok list

                                                  Even though I've only heard the records w/ DiS reviews (how weird is that!)...except no Portishead is a bizarro. Seems like a win for Third could make for a satisfying victor to every little subinterest of music fan (does that make sense?)

                                                  And so obv the Radiohead record is best but they shouldn't count or something.

                                                • The shortlist is always frustrating

                                                  But there are some good shouts on there. I'd like Neon Neon to win, but I can see Adele, British Sea Power or The Last Shadow Puppets getting it. Shame that there are some good ones missing. Portishead and M.I.A are quite blatant stupid omissions, but I'm also sad to see a lack of the Guillemots (a great album of diverse, but lovely pop songs influenced by many genres) and Lightspeed Champion (great modern lyrics on surgy sweet but dark songs), to name but a few.

                                                  Lets face it though, it's probably a good thing these people weren't nominated as we all know Mercury music prize means the death of most bands-I pray it happens to the Klaxons

                                                  • I also

                                                    rated the Guillemots album highly, along with the Hot Chip record and the Leeds artists I mentioned in another thread.

                                                • Portishead have won it before, though

                                                  so I don't suppose they care

                                                • burial is to dubstep

                                                  as roni size is in no way to drum and bass. the former is on the periphery of dubstep, isn't remotely dancefloor or radio friendly, and sounds nothing like about 90% of dubstep artists. compare his album to a "hit" like benga's. they're nothing alike. roni size on the other hand represented the popular mainstream of drum and bass and in a sense its commerical pinnacle. okay, i'm not being very coherent, but my point is simply that if burial wins it's going to be a massive achievement for him, if an unwelcome and probably personally counterproductive, but it won't have much to do with bringing dubstep into the mainstream, as he has not all that much to do with either dubstep or the mainstream. right. yes.

                                                  • WHERE'S PJ HARVEY?

                                                    And why does Adele rip-off the song from Amelie? And Laura Marling have song that sounds like Lady Lay?
                                                    More thoughts: http://boredofdictators.wordpress.com/2008/07/22/modern-music-is-proper-rubbish-or-a-reaction-to-the-mercury-music-prize-nominations/

                                                  • ^this

                                                  • i agree

                                                    and it's easier to push drum 'n bass to the masses than it is dubstep as it sits easier on the radio, tv programmes and MOTD's goal of the month, than burial does.

                                                    burial's anonymity doesn't make it easy for him to get big either, however, i get the impression from the two interviews i've read that he doesn't want to be known, rather than not wanting to sell any records. i could be wrong, mind. who knows.

                                                    • Frightened rabbit came out in

                                                      in late april/Early May did it not?

                                                    • cheers

                                                      for that. a very-much underpublicised fact.

                                                      • Yeah

                                                        Burial just wants the 'music to speak for itself' - he doesn't see the point of making himself known, as he believes this may affect people's opinion of his music. Which I suppose is sort of true.

                                                        Oh, and i played some of his music to a few of my friends, who love Dubstep. They said that, despite not being similar to Dubstep in terms of tempo/mood, it used a lot of Dubstep-style instrumentation, structure, etc. They really liked it as well. Yeah.

                                                        Burial FTW!

                                                        • listz

                                                          I don't give a shit whether or not this represents "British music", cause "music" is the important thing here. The author may lament the exclusion of "Wild Beasts", who I assume are as great as they are obscure (as is typical in the world of the indiekidz), but the list looks pretty broad and representative to me.
                                                          Burial should win; guitar acts have enough general glory already.

                                                          Whoever thinks "radiohead's album is obviously best" is an unimaginative plankton. Anything they do is lazily, automatically "the best", I get tired of it. Fuck, the bends was just whiny miserably bollocks, and OK computer and in rainbows are only experimental in comparison to your average indie group - thay are just dipping their toes into the experimental possibilites of music. Get out of your musical boxes!

                                                          • Stuck in a room

                                                            with the bunch of pillocks who choose the mercury prize would be my worst nightmare.

                                                            How on earth do these people manage to choose such dull filler albums to make the list when MIA, Portishead PJ Harvey & High Contrast all miss out. The mercurys cause debate as they are shit. I just hope Marling, Burial, Rachel Unthank and Neon Neon do well out of it but not win - kiss of death!

                                                          • .

                                                            I've stopped being bothered with the Mercurys- after the last few years always disappointing me, I've just decided what's the point in being disappointed in it? This year doesn't seem that bad really, and I actually own one of the albums which is a rarity now.

                                                            I don't think that we should complain about it not giving more recognition to the small bands/ those sold under a certain amount. I'd prefer that myself, but it's not in the Mercury Prize's criteria (unlike the generally much better American/worldwide Shortlist prize), so it really should just be left to some other prize (if we nearly needed another prize) to celebrate the littler bands.

                                                            The fact that you have to pay so much money (for little bands/labels) and provide so many cds seems pretty awful- they must surely rake in a whole heap of money by doing that?! and that's not even includin however much money Nationwide stump up also.

                                                            So yeah. That's too many words about an award I'm no longer fussed about

                                                            • Elbow

                                                              While my list would look a bit different from the one presented to us, I really hope Elbow win it. In fact, it probably would have been my pick regardless of who was on the list. I just wish there were better albums on that list to offer people some more options. The Last Shadow Puppets are not really an option for people who have taste.

                                                              • Wild Beasts

                                                                ...so I researched these wild beasts.
                                                                FUCK ME it's awful.

                                                                • That link is the only

                                                                  interesting and positive thing i have read about the Mercury Prize, thank you.

                                                                  I just wish that the facts that she comes out with there were made more publicly by the actual organisers.

                                                                • I resent the suggestion I celebrate a band because they are obscure...

                                                                  ...and not because they're great.

                                                                • great article

                                                                  and I generally agree but I sadly think its a romanticised view just because of the state of play right now.

                                                                  It would be great if there were more obscure bands/newcomers involved, amazing in fact, but then no one would be interested, because we live in a mostly selfish and apathetic country who only care about what they're fed.

                                                                  I hate to sound like one of them patriot-bashing guys but that's just how it is, the majority of people just wouldn't be interested without the Adele's or the Alex Turner's, and they're only interested in them because record labels tell them to and maybe the people behind the awards feel they need that interest, perhaps its a money thing. Maybe they all get paid off, I dunno.

                                                                  basically, yes I do think something like this should be used for strictly new bands but it just won't happen in this country. Not on this scale anyway. And I think that's why (despite their constant desire to slag each other off) people choose to come to websites like this one and read whom they think made the "best album of the year"

                                                                  • oh and

                                                                    BSP FOR WIN!

                                                                  • its not too bad

                                                                    i think even a small label can stretch to that to be fair, if they think the album is worth it, and even if not nominated gets that album in to 25 influential hands?

                                                                    • entries

                                                                      i think they get nearly 400 entries, so at 200 pound a pop thats 8 grand, to top it off if you do get nominated its costs an absolute arm and a leg to get a seat at the ceromony, its within the realms of possibility that most hyperdub staff members will not be there

                                                                    • The thing that annoys me

                                                                      is if BUrial wins I won't be able to play it if I have a party as people will go

                                                                      'oh yeah - they won the Mercury' as if to accuse me of playing it for that reason.

                                                                      A bit like playing Sneaker Pimps after everyone watched This Life!

                                                                      • just tell them you liked Burial before the Mercury awards were decided

                                                                        easy.

                                                                        • shit i am feeling lazy

                                                                          I actually can't be arsed to read that article because the paragraphs are tooooooo loooooong. It's like everything is all about everything else and it carrys on and on along the page like some, Boom Bip style stream of conciousness never ending in its quest to devour all the white space that it relishes upon. So hungry is it that it must feed on every pixel that is not being used by the stark hard typed, punched out kernings of each letter burning into the very heart of this page. With little or no remorse, it battles on through the blockade of my very inner sanctum.. he he I said sanctum that sounds rude. Give me my ball back.

                                                                          Oh crap now I have gone and done it too.

                                                                          • yeah that's probably true

                                                                            though how much time they give each one and how much integrity the magic 25 have probably varies a great deal from judge to judge. you'd likely shift a few thousand minimum if you got shortlisted i would imagine.

                                                                          • maybe

                                                                            i mostly agree but i actually think there are enough non-apathetic people out there to justify a slightly less stitched-up and predictable list.

                                                                          • again

                                                                            i wonder if the album was even submitted? i would have thought if it had been then it would have been shortlisted almost guaranteed.

                                                                          • it's what people

                                                                            from kendal sound like.
                                                                            i rather like it.
                                                                            though whether i know what i'm talking about or not is possibly debatable.

                                                                          • Don't sweat it -

                                                                            - who wants to win an award that M People can win anyway?