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The noughties will be remembered for technological advancements in music rather than the music itsel

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by badgertastic

True or false? The 50s gave us rock 'n' roll, the sixties pop/rock/pyschedelia, the seventies glam/funk/disco/punk, the eighties more punk/more disco/new romantics/hip-hop/acid house/indie/baggy/shoegaze the nineties more shoegaze/more indie/grunge/britpop/trip-hop/gangster rap/trance/techno/post rock etc... (not an exhaustive list by any means) but this decade...Coldplay-esque stadium rock? Won't the decade be remembered for the i-pod and file-sharing instead?

badgertastic | 25 Jul '08, 12:18 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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Hamfatter


who knows, I sort of remember times in my life by the records bands I loved

at the time. Thats all that matters surely ?


yeah

I've been involved in debates about how MySpace is bigger to this generation than Nirvana was to the last. It's sad, but true. Peoples love is so fleeting. There are hardly any bands anyone will die for at the moment. It's sad, but true.

Maybe Muse?


it's much like the globalisation of recent history

people become less zenophobic and steadfast in their ways (in theory) as they have constant exposure to new ideas and different races etc. People of our generation wont have a problem being baffled by new technology when we get older as the concept of changing technology is in us. THe same way people's awareness of bands coming and going, millions of bands doing similar things etc, has grown immensely since the rise of the internet. You don't need to die for Muse when you can see many other people doing the same thing.


Muse should be remembered as the band of the noughties

i can't see who else would be in with a decent shout and there's only a year and a half left.


muse??????

like it or not, but the massive success of hear'say probarly had a bigger impact on music this decade than some jeff buckley/radiohead rip-off band.


yeah, maybe.

cos i would kill myself if muse were ever considered the defining band of our generation.


like the 70/80's

is remembered for portable music systems?


is the 80's remembered for cassette recording or the 90's for cd's?

I think these things are seperate from the music created. Might aswell say the 40's gave us grammaphones or something.


there has been some nice technological shit goin down

but the music will always be remembered by at least some of us hehe


There's lots of truth in this

Unless you consider 'bands that sell well at Tesco' a genre there's been no real musical movement to follow rock'n'roll/Beatlemania/punk/house/grunge-Britpop, but what has been consistent across the decade is this march that really started with Napster and Apple's increased prominence. I suppose you could mention the Walkman and the rise of the CD as technological advances that changed the way we approached things in the past, but neither irrevocably altered the fabric of music consumption as much as technology has.


And along with that

has come this fragmentation of youth movements with increased outlets, and a Myspace-aided globalisation of what we listen to.

Christ, that was almost journalese.


this decade is a weird one

alot of music made doesnt sound like it could have been made in any other decade yet it is hard to pin down specic genres and stuff. And the no big band of this generation I don't see as necessarily a bad thing, there is the same amount of passion just spread over more bands because of the greater choice and access. It is my personal favourite decade of music with 2005 being the pinnacle.


what are your picks form 05 then?

i'm interested.


in no particular order

mount eerie - no flashlight
bright eyes - iwaim/daiadu
okkervil river - black sheep boy
joanna newsom - milk eyed mender
broken social scene
m83 - before the dawn can heal us
wolf parade - apologies
xiu xiu - fabulous muscles
sufjan stevens -illinoise
the unicorns - wwcohwwag
antony and the jonsons - I am a bird now
animal collective - feels
the mountain goats - the sunset tree
arcade fire - funeral

some of these may be 2004 I forget


andrew bird

and the good life should be in there somewher


I don't know or like any of those

mostly don't know though. I've been living under a very comfy rock.


and etiquete by cfpa if that was 2005

if not I change my statement to 2004-06:the golden age of indie music


2005?

do tell


there've been less great records made this decade than any other

since the 60s obv, fuck knows that happened before then.


the problem is

with the rise of teH InterNetZ there has been a complete saturation of music now that every fucking indie band/RnB wannabe/bedroom MC with a £5 mic can put their stuff online. What is defined as future classics in unfortunately left in the hands of journalists on payola and who has the best long tail PR campaigns... when it comes to writing the history of of this decade the most important and progressive records will be marginalised in favour of companies who want their products written up, thus protecting long term sales. Like the way that famous people have their obituaries prepared in advance, the history books have already been prepared...


No

because there are always great bands and artists at any given point in time


^ Agreed

Yup - this thread is bollocks. People said the same when synths came out - and then the same when Pro Tools got popular. It's all swings and roundabouts.


That's not his point, though

I think what he's getting at is there's been no musically driven cross-cultural youth movement the peak of which can be pinned down to this decade, and a lot of the ways in which we've changed are in some part down to p2p, the iPod, Myspace etc.


emo?

in its current incarnation


You sir

have grasped my point precisely. That came out worse than I intended...

I'm a teacher and I'm finding that der yoof are wearing t-shirts of bands that spilt up long before they were born - Led Zep, Misfits, Nirvana etc... there just doesn't seem to be any real 'It's happening NOW! RIGHT NOW!' youth scene...or am I wrong?


Well...

musical heroes are basically an extinct species in our current climate, no?


define "great"

and define who makes these decisions...? perhaps you're right, this shit's always been going on...


80s

had a bigger impact technology-wise on musical form.

00s technology hasn't actually affected musical arrangement that much.

It just existing production techniques have been streamlined


i'd agree with some of this

all of the technological advances we've seen in the 00s have been extensions of the techniques used in the late 90s (and beforehand), they've just become far more advanced, widespread and democratised. But you could argue that just as the 80s is remembered for tinny gated drums, the 00s will be remembered for dynamic compression and digital clipping. Has this affected composition/songwriting? You could argue that it means that all subtlety in sound has been steamrollered out, leaving music as the bare bones of songwriting - big choruses, propulsive rhythms, compositional shifts.

You could also say that the distributive nature of 00s music has had a similiar effect. Myspace streaming, youtube and 128kbps mp3 have reduced music to a skeletal impression of actual song creation, where the surface details are the only thing which matter - it's the modern day equivalent of the "wall of sound" being created specifically for transistor radios


the loudness wars

have their roots in the 80s with the advent of the walkmen...but I do see your point about digital clipping.

Same for the songs wiht just breakdowns or choruses...but the yalso have roots in 80s club music....peopel don;t want intros when they just want to dance.

So I do agree with you, but its a 20 year development.

I guess the 00s is a truly postodern decade. (I died a little writing that)


Pastiche

It will be remembered for the pastiche artist. In other decades we've had successful artists borrowing from the past but this decade will be remembered most for artists that just rip off the past wholesale and don't bring anything new to the table.


Well...

It'll be remebered for the Strokes saving us from all the dull bland UK music like Starsailor around 2001, for the Libertines then ripping off The Strokes to bring it back to the UK, then for the Arctic Monkeys to rip off the Strokes and rule the roost ... I'm just waiting for the next band to rip off the Strokes ..... who in turn had ripped off The Ramones hence allowing Topshop stock their T-shirts ... oh and the ipod and myspace .... and yeah, ... yer right


To go out on a limb...

The noughties will be remembered (not just for music but for many things) largely for repackaged soul-less derivative shite, retro fashion in both music and everything else (as a means of avoiding new ideas) and a largish dumbing down of the populace, devaluation of intellectual property and shortening of attention spans thanks to unprecedented levels of hype, marketing, accesibility and greed.

There have been many ace things too, but at best its 50/50 and there is nothing distinct to identify this decade as anything more than a fumbling of ideas through our new technological possibilities. Hopefully by the next decade we will know where we stand a bit more and things will improve.

(I actually really want someone to prove me wrong as I am in a pessimistic mood right now, having just seen my umpteenth advert for Jamster ringtones on my day off and being plagued by the builders outside playing Radio 1, so have at me!)


maybe in 20 years time

people will think this was a good musical decade
or not
maybe it will only get worse


It's silly trying to judge that now...

rose-tinted glasses and all that...


interesting


what about...

grime and dubstep.

nu-metal, emo.

Also, festivals.


and...

bands reforming.

and Radiohead have released 4 records this decade, including Kid A + Amnesiac.


and and and...

the Arcade Fire.


It'll come to be known

as the decade when -everyone- could become a music fan, rather than just the 18 year old boys in record shops in the 70's. The internet means having your music heard and loved is a real possibility, and opens up the consumers to the comparitive qualities of 'major' bands versus the unknown. I think there are probably a much higher amount of people with deep musical knowlege than there were in the early 90's for example- just because it's easy. So it should be remembered as the time of Indie, in it's purest sense, music fans and bands with very small budgets and no record labels becoming open to the consumer.


True ^

I'm fourteen in a black/mexican plaqued with the usually hip-hop, if it wasn't for the internet I wouldn't have been able to find and listen to stuff like My Bloody Valentine, Sonic Youth, Radiohead & Deerhunter, If it wasn't for the internet I would still be listening to the stuff that drew me out the hip-hop stuff in 6th grade like My Chemical Romance & Greenday, now I'm able to recommend music to my friends, even though they only really liked Muse and Mellon Collie. With this new technology we can share our music in an instant, ours or others without having to rely on the radio or MTV for recommends. With stuff like Youtube & Myspace and forums like these I think we have come together as a community and that's maybe what 00's decade is about in general, communication...I might be wrong.


nu rave?

lol.





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