Only a few people here seem to like non alt music. A few people have their pop weaknesses, more people like hip hop than any other non alt genre. Some people like old soul/motown, grime. Then there's a few who like stuff that would come under 'other' but I'd say this site is unashamedly bent towards indie/alt from the responses you get to different threads.
I listen to Motown - sometimes hip hop - sometimes reggae but mostly indie alt now.
Breaks I guess - stuff like Plumps, Evil Nine, Freestylers, SOM, Coombs, Freeland, Krafty Kuts, Freq Nasty. There hasn't been an abundance of great stuff out this year though. At least until the new Stanton Warriors material anyway.
A bit of drum and bass but not too much, does my head in after a while
I don't listen to indie at all.. I listen to jazz, old RnB, Soul, a bit of ska n calypso, and great vocalists like Ol' Blue Eyes and Mel Torme (I hate the term 'Easy Listening' cos it's completely inappropriate for the genres it supposedly covers)....
The only reason I know a bit about indie stuff is cos I'm in an indie band!
I listen to a lot of electronic music, possibly more than I listen to 'indie', been mostly listening to minimal techno recently, and attempting to make some on my new mc-303. woot woot.
World music is shit unless you're watching it live.
I think you guys are on your high horse. careful you might fall.
Genres in music, books, films - everything help explain without having to list every band you've gone to see in the past month.
They don't need to be rigid or exact. But it helps when you're with non-music people in the pub and they ask what music you like. If you listed The research, Smash, dustins, jamc etc you'd be rewarded with blank looks and ignored the rest of the night :-)
...And I think it's great when you've got a bunch of 13 year old kids carving out their identities and sub-cultures through music. Fighting over whether So solid krew or Robbie williams or Franz are the best. Rather that than a load of kids melting in to one and all saying "I just like music, anything really" that's no fun at all.
Kind of agree. When I was a kid I hated people who said "I like all music", it kinda denoted to me that they didn't have a taste for music at all and knew nothing about it (i.e. they listened to local commercial radio - Fox FM was my local one).
As a kid music can form the basis of your indentity, and to a degree still is for all of us now. However, as you get exposed to more and more music from all sorts of different genres from all sorts of different eras, you'll find yourself answering that "what music you into?" question with a shrug and an "I kinda like all sorts of music" as actually detailing what you've been listening to recently, what you're favourite stuff is and so on could take you a very long time indeed. Which isn't great if it's the first time you're chatting to a new face.
"Plus, most modern jazz, techno, reggae and modern composition is independent. So your second question is nonsensical."
I think the evolved meaning of the term "Indie" is pretty clear in 2005, isn't it? Not simply a literal suggestion of being signed to an Independent record label...? I know someone who plays contemporary jazz who can't even work a washing machine.
""Indie" is an abbreviation of "independent"; that's what it means."
yes but you can't deny the term has evolved, it might be a poor term to use but the fact that coldplay are tagged as indie without being on an independant lable suggests that it DOES have another meaning these days.
It can be marvellous; on the other hand, repeated stupidity can take a hold and that has to be resisted and rejected. So, you have heard of Susie Dent?
Well, logically, being independent would mean not relying on anyone or anything. Thus no artist who is affiliated with another organisation should be described as "independent".
So you really ought to say "signed to an independent record label". Then you'd be in a position to criticise the use of "Indie" as a word pertaining to a music genre... Sorry, I'm being pedantic now...
Your genre bashing is all valid if one looks at it from a literal point of view. But if you more think about it from a "which rack would the record be on in a shop" type of viewpoint, my questions make perfect sense.
And I also agree about disliking an entire genre, but you are ultimately going to like some types of music more often than others and end up with a skewed record collection.
I've been brought up on the Blues. My mum has her own British Blues Magazine, called Blues in Britian - you can see what she did there? And I lurve that, kinda sweep my room stylle Elmore James kinda stuff, along with of course Muddy Waters and John Lee Hooker.
But me... FUNK! The Meters and Funkadelic, Parliament. James Brown, the JBs, Maceo Parker Sly and the Family!!!!11!!!!!
And of course Soul like Staxx and Missippi Delta Blues like Bo Diddley etc. Obviously love Gill Scott Heron.
Motown is good too for like Smokey & Stevie and Marvin and the Jacksons. ooooohhhhhhh. love it.
(also have a penchant for disco cheese *Rose Royce* but i'm tring to keep it under wraps)
Sometime I really don't like Indi Alt compared this lovely stuff.
I should listen to more music, I'm sure it can't be healthy to listen to the Beta Band on repeat for...let's see...an hour and a half. My dad is always taking the piss out of my bands, which means I have an obligation to play them as loud as I can when I'm home.
Having said that, I really like Four Tet, Tom Waits, and Massive Attack, none of whom are really indie. And I like old blues, like Muddy Waters, B.B. King and Buddy Guy.
The only music worth listening to is the music your parents hate. I don't understand all this crossover - kids liking coldplay nonsense. When I was a youngster my mum even gave pics of me to the local record shops banning me from buying any more JAMC. :-)
to be honest the only indie i listen to is Sonic Youth. in fact, i have no idea why i post at DiS, it's been years and years since much of the kind of music covered here intersted me. whoops! it's mostly jazz, pop, classical and electronica here in zooland.
I don't really understand: Hip-Hop's 'alternative' as well, isn't it? Well the proper stuff like Beasties and DJ Shadow surely is, not the modern 'all about bling' RnB with a different name sort of thing. That's kind of like modern pop compared to proper 60s pop in terms of being so much about making cash in the media that someone forgot to bother to make a song good.
sorry but beasties and shadow aren't really "proper hip-hop". dj shadow is more sample based 'dance' music than anything else, and beasties, they just suck really.
I wasn't meaning that they were definitive hip-hop, but that style of RUN DMC stuff is my idea of hip-hop, whereas these days it seems to have been turned into something that's following the whole sex and $$$s attitude that simply turns me off...
Hmm that's a bit of a generalisation though. There is good hip hop about - commercially Kanye West and on the other side Saul Williams besides countless others that people on this site mention. I still like Common and The Roots so I may be drastically behind.
The bling hip hop requires quells to get through, just an awful embarassment really. West himself is tied to Roc A Fella and seems to be struggling with the bling/cash money side of the industry. I can imagine him parting company with Jay Z and Dame Dash soon.
I'm not familiar with Lady Sovereign - doesn't she usually get pushed into Grime categories? I do like Grime alot. I'm only just learning who I like (Ruff Sqwad, Titch, Dizzee other) and who I am not sure about (Kano). I'm not really into Eski - must be the playfullness and radio appeal. I quite like the little bit of dub I've heard and I suppose the dark atmospherics on Grime instrumentals/tracks appeals to me in the same way as Burning Spear might.
I'm not saying there's no one now who's worth anything. It was more that the name seems to be used indiscriminately so that by saying you like Hip-Hop people aren't going to (say) think of edgy politics of stuff like Public Enemy (well I would consider the stuff I've heard to be hip-hop) or cleverly put together ideas, but people selling stuff to you in order to make tonnes of cash for MTV.
dame dash has nothing to do with roc-a-fella any more, in all honesty to me its a virtually defunct record label, meh. Kanye west makes too many boring songs, makes me forget about the ones i loved.
I love POP music. Big, unashamed POP music. The Pet Shop Boys rule. Girls Aloud make me wanna dance. 5ive rocked the party. Or something. If you don't like POP music, you have no soul.
Bamos, I've just done your mixtape so I'm glad you said that.
I like trip hop
I like sugarbabes, brandy, great 70s disco (NOT Kool and the Gang) Soul.....everyone can appreciate soul music...you don't have to be a soul man, can anyone honestly say they don't think aretha franklin is fantastic?
I imagine that reggae and ska/2tone are really 'alternative music', in that it has its own subculture and is considered a 'specialist' maeket.
Real hip hop....thats not really alternative just an elistist wing of the general milaise that is r n b which is a big commercial venture.....dont get me wrong I like Missy E, Mary J and Evee E the problem is it has so much money and hype behind it.....although nowadays so does indie music maybe indie music is ceasing to be alternative.
In the past no indie band would make it to number one, in the charts, however I have heard it said that the kaiser chiefs, green day, even oasis and coldplay are indie(ish) indie can be very mainstream now.
RnB/hip hop and indie in general are not really specialist markets anymore are they?.
I like a few classical composers, but I don't tend to listen to them that much any more. I love Holt's Planets and Gershiwn's stuff. The Lord of the Rings sountracks are great too.
I listent o more guitar stuff now, either it's better or better marketed i don't know, but really i listent o anything ( i know how crap that sounds). I can't just listen to the one type of thing, it drives me crackers. Anything and everything ; napalm death, mahalia jackson, Bleach, Chris Liberator,Glen Campbell,Cyndi Lauper...........hmmm sounding like that mylo record now.
I like a lot of pop and dance stuff, electro acid breakcore cheesy old rave stuff ninja tune some geeky idm some ambient industrial breakcore shit if i'm in the mood
Also a fair bit of hiphop and grime and dancehall tracks and yeah a bit of R&B
Soul jazz and world stuff I have a little bit but need to find more of... lots of good stuff out there. i have been listening to some old soul too good for cheering you up
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I listen to Motown - sometimes hip hop - sometimes reggae but mostly indie alt now.
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I also was an Acid Jazz fan, although all seems a bit pretentious now. But still like a bit of big beat, breaks and Northern soul.
Harmless records are great. Or shoulf that be - "is great"?
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A bit of drum and bass but not too much, does my head in after a while
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Did you ever consider that ther might be loads of acts like that which you'd like if you heard about them?
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The only reason I know a bit about indie stuff is cos I'm in an indie band!
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My mate Ross only listens to drum'n'bass ,hip hop and 80's rock, his band sound like Placebo.
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World music is shit unless you're watching it live.
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oh yes.
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Common
Jay and Linkin Park--Sorry
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you can make some pretty good techno in buzz. Thats waht I've been doing the past few days
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I like good music.
Anyone who only likes a genre of music or dislikes a particular genre of music doesn't really like music.
Plus, most modern jazz, techno, reggae and modern composition is independent. So your second question is nonsensical.
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I agree.
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Genres in music, books, films - everything help explain without having to list every band you've gone to see in the past month.
They don't need to be rigid or exact. But it helps when you're with non-music people in the pub and they ask what music you like. If you listed The research, Smash, dustins, jamc etc you'd be rewarded with blank looks and ignored the rest of the night :-)
...And I think it's great when you've got a bunch of 13 year old kids carving out their identities and sub-cultures through music. Fighting over whether So solid krew or Robbie williams or Franz are the best. Rather that than a load of kids melting in to one and all saying "I just like music, anything really" that's no fun at all.
Phew, rant over.
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As a kid music can form the basis of your indentity, and to a degree still is for all of us now. However, as you get exposed to more and more music from all sorts of different genres from all sorts of different eras, you'll find yourself answering that "what music you into?" question with a shrug and an "I kinda like all sorts of music" as actually detailing what you've been listening to recently, what you're favourite stuff is and so on could take you a very long time indeed. Which isn't great if it's the first time you're chatting to a new face.
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I think the evolved meaning of the term "Indie" is pretty clear in 2005, isn't it? Not simply a literal suggestion of being signed to an Independent record label...? I know someone who plays contemporary jazz who can't even work a washing machine.
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yes but you can't deny the term has evolved, it might be a poor term to use but the fact that coldplay are tagged as indie without being on an independant lable suggests that it DOES have another meaning these days.
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Am I going anywhere with this? Probably not. Bye!
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But independent can apply to a record label.
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And I also agree about disliking an entire genre, but you are ultimately going to like some types of music more often than others and end up with a skewed record collection.
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And country and soul.
But I think they're fairly-standard-indie-fare.
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I like a bit of Blues now again, Leadbelly, Robert Johnson that kind of thing.
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But me... FUNK! The Meters and Funkadelic, Parliament. James Brown, the JBs, Maceo Parker Sly and the Family!!!!11!!!!!
And of course Soul like Staxx and Missippi Delta Blues like Bo Diddley etc. Obviously love Gill Scott Heron.
Motown is good too for like Smokey & Stevie and Marvin and the Jacksons. ooooohhhhhhh. love it.
(also have a penchant for disco cheese *Rose Royce* but i'm tring to keep it under wraps)
Sometime I really don't like Indi Alt compared this lovely stuff.
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Hip-Hop: Surely the only thing to rival RnB and indie-rock in terms of over-repetition?
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Having said that, I really like Four Tet, Tom Waits, and Massive Attack, none of whom are really indie. And I like old blues, like Muddy Waters, B.B. King and Buddy Guy.
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And nobody told me...
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I wasn't meaning that they were definitive hip-hop, but that style of RUN DMC stuff is my idea of hip-hop, whereas these days it seems to have been turned into something that's following the whole sex and $$$s attitude that simply turns me off...
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... John Barnes.
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Or Andy Cole
V.I.P, to my private party
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The bling hip hop requires quells to get through, just an awful embarassment really. West himself is tied to Roc A Fella and seems to be struggling with the bling/cash money side of the industry. I can imagine him parting company with Jay Z and Dame Dash soon.
I'm not familiar with Lady Sovereign - doesn't she usually get pushed into Grime categories? I do like Grime alot. I'm only just learning who I like (Ruff Sqwad, Titch, Dizzee other) and who I am not sure about (Kano). I'm not really into Eski - must be the playfullness and radio appeal. I quite like the little bit of dub I've heard and I suppose the dark atmospherics on Grime instrumentals/tracks appeals to me in the same way as Burning Spear might.
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I like trip hop
I like sugarbabes, brandy, great 70s disco (NOT Kool and the Gang) Soul.....everyone can appreciate soul music...you don't have to be a soul man, can anyone honestly say they don't think aretha franklin is fantastic?
I imagine that reggae and ska/2tone are really 'alternative music', in that it has its own subculture and is considered a 'specialist' maeket.
Real hip hop....thats not really alternative just an elistist wing of the general milaise that is r n b which is a big commercial venture.....dont get me wrong I like Missy E, Mary J and Evee E the problem is it has so much money and hype behind it.....although nowadays so does indie music maybe indie music is ceasing to be alternative.
In the past no indie band would make it to number one, in the charts, however I have heard it said that the kaiser chiefs, green day, even oasis and coldplay are indie(ish) indie can be very mainstream now.
RnB/hip hop and indie in general are not really specialist markets anymore are they?.
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I listen to a lot of electronic music too, but that kind of crosses over into the whole indie realm of things.
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Oh and some Jazz, although not as much as I probably should. Miles Davis, Herbie Hancock...
Beefheart - what does he count as?
And.....Louis Jordan, Tom Waits, Dr John, Ry Cooder. And Motown.
I'd say Indie/Rock is only 30/40% of what I listen to really.
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World is a slightly unknown cloud to me, but I like gamelan stuff and I can tuvan throat sing :D
Electronic stuff, obviously and a little bit of blues/gospel/folk etc
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Got To Give It Up is one of the most brilliantist songs ever
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track 1 side B of my mixtape
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I like a lot of pop and dance stuff, electro acid breakcore cheesy old rave stuff ninja tune some geeky idm some ambient industrial breakcore shit if i'm in the mood
Also a fair bit of hiphop and grime and dancehall tracks and yeah a bit of R&B
Soul jazz and world stuff I have a little bit but need to find more of... lots of good stuff out there. i have been listening to some old soul too good for cheering you up
Afrobeat! yes
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Just go look at my itunes dammit
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This site is supposed to be about all kinds of music and not just indie
People assume its an 'indie' site and thus starts a self-perpetuating cycle of indieness. Aargh.
We need some good dance music & hip hop writers
but you lot scare them off with your indieness
stop it!
haha