There are two unbearable things on the face of this planet. One - Pain, and Two - Hearing people fucking whining about it. For ages. And repeatedly. If arrogant Nebraskan teen (well, whatever, he acts like he’s still 15) Oberst was in a fucking concentration camp, being brutally beaten and tortured then I’d let him off, but as it stands his chosen dish from Café D’angst is, like, girls LEAVING HIM! Oh. My. God. The poor guy. Get over it. DON’T act like a total prick and write songs about your once dearly-beloved, you insensitive brat, laden with hundreds of references only SHE will get, and only SHE will be hurt by. DON’T write a self-pitying concept album (last year’s ‘Fevers and Meeeeeeeeeers’), and DON’T let yourself off the hook by claiming it’s all a show, you’re only a character. That doesn’t work for Eminem and it doesn’t work for you. DO FUCKING NOT compose a song entitled ‘It’s cool, we can still be friends’, a bitter assault on an ex-lover, and end with the lines “I’m pouring some whisky, I’m gonna get real fucking drunk, so I pass out, and forget your face by the time I wake up”. You utter bastard.
Right, I believe you are depressed, I believe you have problems, and I believe it’s ok to write songs about it. But, and this is the important bit, don’t get all high and mighty and decide that these songs deserve to be displayed to the world! "But hey, you don’t have to buy them if you don’t want!" SO FUCKING WHAT? Once it intentionally enters the media then you’ve crossed that line, the line between personal gratification and belief that you have something to offer the world. Miserable fucking teens do not need more shoegazery, whining, self-pitying quotes for their MSN names. They need a good fucking slap round the face. They need rock and roll, outrage, disgust, and hell, even fucking happiness! Cheer the existential, weight-on-my-back-gotta-drink-fucking-vodka-to-stop-the-fucking-paaaaaiiiinn kids up! Don’t give them more ammo!
Desaparecidos is a good start, but stop screaming like you’ve just endured the worst pain in the world, and get that fucking trembly, ‘gonna cry I’m so sad’, tone from your voice, ok? No one should get away with such blatant self-pity, and usually they don’t. If he constantly phoned up his friends and whined at them about how sad he is, and how he thinks about suicide, they’d tell him to shut the fuck up and get over it (I would hope, anyway). It’s because he puts it in a song, in such a poetic style, that everybody goes "Ahhh" and worries about the poor little lad. Well WAKE UP! Here’s the truth: No one can go onstage night after night and FEEL all that pain. He’s kidding himself and he’s kidding you. How can he still feel for a girl that dumped him years previously? (Well, ok, I’m not ruling that out, but she probably dumped him because of his constant fucking whining! He deserved it!) The guy is wallowing, and he makes you wallow too.
Now, some people say that the Bright Eyes game isn’t about self-pity. No, really, they do. When that boy goes into the studio to record a song, all that can possibly emerge from his collapsing little frame is total and utter T-O-R-T-U-R-E! And get this, we apparently walk away from the experience feeling happier, having come through the worst with our little ‘Wunderkind’ guiding us by the hand. WELL! What’s the best word to describe all that bollocks?
Oh well, BOLLOCKS will do. Sing it loud, sing it far. Run the fuck over to Omaha and bleat it in the bastard’s face. He has A CHOICE! Choice one is to sing songs, like a normal little boy, hitting all the right notes and not going out of his way to whine for a new surrogate mother/teenage fan. Choice two is to use song writing as a diary, a self-obsessed (yes, you were right on ‘Padraic my prince’), self-pitying (don’t deny it, he isn’t talking about war), self-indulgent little teenage diary. For god-knows-how-long he’s been walking the second road, but thankfully that trend seems to be bucking slightly, as, on the new EP, he cuts the method acting rubbish for a few brief moments and decides to sing properly. And all nicely! Aww. You do have to wade through loads of ‘look at me!’ crap about doctors and pills though, which is a shame.
Hey, I used to like Bright Eyes. I used to appreciate the self-pity and relate it to my own experiences (like I’m sure you do). But like most bands out there, they either let you down, or you realise the truth. And the truth is that listening to Bright Eyes turns you into a whiny little vodka-drinking cunt, and I don’t think any of us really wants to be like that, do we? Be "entranced" by this moaning indie-bollocks if you will, but I for one couldn’t give a toss about this or any other Saddle Creek band. It’s a cyclical (i.e. it won’t fucking die!) culture of liars, whiners, shoegazers and poets. Oh, I forgot, they’re all the same thing. Bastards. Bright Eyes may be heading in a slightly more acceptable direction, but ‘Wunderkind’ Conor still has that pin ready and waiting to stick deep into his hand. Question is, are you gonna give him the time of day?
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FairPlay...
Just because some people have the luxury of being happy all the time, or even the ability to embrace it just some of the time; does not give others the right to just shit on their opinions by telling them that their choices are worthless and to cheer up and listen to something happy. Music is supposed to be personal in a lot of senses, some people just view the aspects in which it is applied differently; thus the beauty in being able to have an opinion and make a choice that is your own on what you want to listen to. No one wants to have some elitist fuckwit ramming an opinion down their throat, just because the person doing the ramming thinks that they are right. You may not like the music, but you are ignoring the ultimate premise in letting people embrace their own choices - even if those choices are to wallow and work through the reasons for why they are doing so, with a somewhat tangible form of compassion in the form of a song that seems to make sense of that particular moment.
Everyone's different, and I can totally understand why people would think of Conor as nothing more than a whiner; but some of us are born fucking whiners! So just leave the boy to it and go and do something constructive with your time. Whether you like it or not, or agree with the emotion or subtext, just let people have an opinion and get the fuck off your high horse.
Music is supposed to be a freeing mechanism, an escape, a connotative device for emotion. Stop viewing it like its a fucking popularity contest in high school. It's utterly pedantic to try and dictate or dispute taste, as everyone is different.. It just astounds me that some people are capable of such stupidity to the extent of waging a war on freedom of expression. Grow the fuck up.
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Haha. Sounds interesting. You should try a band called Cancerslug. What they lack in musical talent, they make up in lyrics such as,"I wish I could have torn your mother's cunt apart and plucked you out way before you were born." Your article was amazing. I am a fan of Bright Eyes, but that was hilarious. And true for the most part. I think it's ok to like emo music, but if it's the only thing you listen to, and you can't even joke about it, it's rather pathetic.
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A question to you, fantastic_tom, how many songs have you actually heard by bright eyes before basing your biased opinions on them? His songs are beautiful and poetic, and I'm sure that anything he creates is much more exquisite than any shit you come out with. I can't wait until everyone rejects you for the arrogant person that you are and you become more depressed than this person that you hate so much for his creativity.
And just on a last note I would like to say that I am not attracted to him in any way, in fact, it's quite the opposite. So don't just say that all his female fans are only his fans because of his appearance.
Have a nice day, loser
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Can't we even bitch in peace????
teejayallbadly, you leave me no option but to hate you viciously.
I'm fed up of people wqho do the whole "oh you're so fucking narrow minded" thing whenever someone says an artist is crap. for fiuck's sakes....it was an article about NOT liking Conor Oberst, ok?!?!? so if you DO like him....you have two options.
1) Suggest to us why we should give him a second chance. suggest to us why you think we're mistaken in our judgements. Instead of just saying "oh you're so narrow minded" or "he's a prodigy" because WE'LL IGNORE YOU or FUCKING HATE YOU!
2) FUCK OFF, IGNORE THE ARTICLE AND LEAVE US TO BITCH IN PEACE!!!!
Let me ask you this....ever had a conversation with a friend about how much an artist SUCKS????? yeah????? well, i guarantee that if some stranger came up and said "oh look, you're being, like, sooooo narrow minded, you hate-filled ignoramuses, the guy's a prodigy" then you'd think they were a FLIPPIN' WANKER, right????? so now have a look at yourself, teejayallbadly.
if you don't like what's on this site then either ignore it, or try and persuade us properly.
fuckwit.
nerrr, nerr, ni-nerr-nerrr.
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ps: fuck you.
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basicall, what i was saying was that.....you're trying to say that the guy was wrong to write the article in some way by saying he's childish etc, and you pretty much say that having a go at an artists style or talent is wrong. err....why?!?!? first of all, bitching on style is fiiiiine, you probably do it the whole time yourself, about popstars and punters alike. second, i think the point is it's *lack of* talent we're talking about here...
basically, he can write whatever the fuck he likes. if you've got a different opinin, then air it. if someone's got the facts worong, correct them. but please oh please don't try and claim that the *shouldn't* be writing such articles, as if they're breaking some moral code or something. And as for all the crap people like you come up with like "you're just jealous" or "your soo childish, man" or any of that kinda crap...it's all window-dressing. meaningless crap, designed to get around the fact that THEY JUST DON'T HOLD YOUR OPINIONS!!!!!
The guy can write what he likes, end of story. there's no 'right' way of writing the articles, there are no aspects of an artist you should avoid in discussion....you gonna try and stop us writing about people's haircuts next?!? don't deny us that luxury, please!!
maybe you think the guy's a dick for writing the article. Fine!! who cares?? doubt he cares bout your opinion. so just say "Hey! Shit article! You're a dickhead!"....don't try and say how *bad* and *wrong* it is to write that kinda article. Betcha you'd be happily cheering on the author if a near-identical article was written about someone you didnt like. but let's not start on the whole hypocite thing, yeah?!?! there's a vicious circle waiting to happen there. suffice to say, in the childish manner you've bestowed upon me...you started it!
oops...acidentally made this one longer than the first.
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The writer of this article states that many people claim that if he doesn't like bright eyes, then he shouldn't buy the album. He then goes on to say that basically, that isn't good enough and it just shouldn't exsist. so for you to defend this article by saying we should just ignore it, makes you a hypocrite. or retarded. i'm not sure which. then you say you should be aloud to bitch in peace, when the whole point of this article is that conor oberst bitches too much. so i'm glad that you hate me. because if i got the chance, i'd stab you in the jaw. so it all works out.
as for the article itself, i think it's stupid. if it was simply an article about why he doesn't like conor oberst, that would be one thing. however, many of the points he makes are in fact narrow minded. people aren't just saying that because they don't have anything better to say.
you know who hates conor oberst's fame the most? conor oberst. he has repeatedly said that he doesn't like the kind of fame he's getting. as for him being soley a whiny bitch, a lot of his writing is symbolic. for example, padraic my prince is not about baby's drowning but about the consequences of neglect.
as for the point made that people stop listening to depressing songs when they realize the truth about the world... i don't even know how to respond to that other then to say you are stupid. the world does suck, whether you want to admit it or not. now people can either address that fact and try to fix it, address it and sob over it, or ignore the bad and focus on the good and live in your pretty little world where bad things don't happen until one day you get stabbed in a dark alley because you naively think that no one would be lurking just waiting for some sap to walk by and be stabbed.
clearly i'm going off on quite the tangent, but i'm having fun so i'm going to keep going. now, you state that by making sad music, he is encourging kids to stay sad and that he should instead write happy music to cheer then up. well, i'm not a happy person. and i like not being happy. so does that then mean i am happy in my unihappiness? that's not the point. the point is that i enjoy listening to this type pf music, and if i had to listen to some cheery backstreet boy bullshit and i'd shove sharp objects in my ears and puke blood.
the point i hate the most that you foolishly made is that you think it's ok for him to make music, but he shouldn't be arrogant enough to share it with the world. so then i guess every musician must be arrgoant, because that's pretty much the point of their exsistence. HOW DARE LED ZEPPELIN PRODUCE HOUSES OF THE HOLY! THOSE ARRGOANT BASTARDS! DO YOU THINK WE WANT TO HEAR WHAT ROBERT PLANT HAS TO SAY?
GOD CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT BEETHOVEN ACTUALLY WENT PUBLIC WITH HIS COMPOSITIONS? WHAT A PRICK! "LOOK AT ME, I'M DEAF AND I COMPOSED BEAUTIFUL MASTERPIECES, I'M SO FULL OF MYSELF I ACTUALLY WANT TO SHARE MY WORK WITH OTHERS. MEEEEEHHHHHHH".
that's my impression of you in case you couldn't tell. i guess that sentiment reigns true for everyone. how dare writers publish books? how dare politicians say their stance on the issues? like i care whether or not the preseident is for or against abortion. he should keep his damn opinion to himself.
but then if that's all true, what are you doing posting this poorly written article?
yeah, he writes a lot of songs about how being dumped sucks. that is pretty stupid of him, isn't it? i love getting my heart broken. it makes me think of kittens and rainbows, not whiskey. so therefore his feelings must be invalid. especially seeing as no other songwriter has ever written about love. ever. so it makes sense for you to single out conor oberst.
in conclusion, i love conor oberst's work. yes, he is beautiful, but elliot smith was ugly as sin and i love his work too. so there goes that theory. the fact that you don't like conor is fine with me, but if you must hate him, then don't be so retarded about the reasons.
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I was a vodka drinking cunt way before i heard of conor oberst. so there goes the whole "he turns people into that" thing.
lmfao!
Right on!!! NamelessHere4everMore - You are fabulous! There are too many parts of your post that I agree with for me to quote and agree on; so I shall just wholly second such an opinion and take my hat off to you!!
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If you genuinely like the guy then fair enough... I just found the article amusing in a bitchy sort of way.
As for my views on bright eyes being 'the reason that this concrete continent is such a fucking mess of dehumanizing machinery'... get a fucking grip. I have no issue with emotion... infact theres a lot of emotional music I love. It just doesn't happen to be described as 'emo'. urgh. Bright eyes emotion makes me cringe because it seems fake, overdone, whiny, and that stops it having a genuine emotional impact for me. I can't get beyond the irritation of his vocal style. Its a personal thing. When emotion comes in more subtle and genuine forms I find it a lot more effective.
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if you don't like the way he sings then fair enough...
but to claim his music isn't heartfelt and genuine seems completely irrational...
And what music do you find a more subtle and genuine form of emotion...??
i'm curious...
i don't think there's much more sincerity than in Oberst's songs...
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Rap artists these days use bad language so often maybe they should all be taken off the radio...but rappers like eminem aren't being taken off, they're just getting more popular...so i suppose if vulgar music like that can be promoted then it is only fair to allow every musician to create whatever music they want.
And you can say he shouldn't allow his music to enter the public...but you can say that about any other music as well...every musician has the right to distribute his music as he wishes...and if he's not good enough obviously he will fail...but Oberst is clearly talented, and is able to connect with his audiences, despite a somewhat shaky voice and whatever other shortcomings you ranted about earlier...but somehow his music has become widespread and popular so it seems that he has been successful...and he really isn't interested in the commercial aspect of the music industry...and he should be applauded for not selling out like so many other artists have...he has actually criticized the commercial artists and Clear Channel for the destruction of indie music and promotion of the punk pop bands like good charlotte and shit like that...
If he wants to write songs about how sad he is then let him...those are his feelings and thoughts and if thats how he wants to express them then that's fine...and if people want to listen to "depressing" music then that's fine too...
The bottom line is he is a talented musician...maybe he is a whiney, negative emo boy...and maybe he isn't the most talented musician vocally...but he is an incredible lyricist, although you may not care for his subjects, and he is talented instrumentalist...
And if you don't like that it is slowly filtering into the mainstream music cycle...then don't listen to it...i know you claim that's not possible...but i think you're wrong...
just like when some stupid eminem shit comes on...i change the station...simple as that...
so tom sykes...if you don't like it then don't listen to it...and just allow others who respect and enjoy the music to continue to do just that!
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Rock on Conor Oberst! \m/
These people are fuck-offs.
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Oh get a sense of humour. I've been depressed and known people who are depressed and suicidal - my opinions on bright eyes music remain the same. I'm sorry but I find his exaggerated over-the-top 'I'm just about to start crying' voice phony and irritating a lot of the time. It does not sound even slightly sincere to me. Maybe it is sincere, maybe it isn't, but as he's releasing music to the world, I'm entitled to judge the music on it's musical merits, the way it sounds. And it sounds horribly exaggerated and insincere to me.
But you like it and that's okay - just don't presume that everyone will, or that those who don't somehow 'arent getting it', as that's bullshit. You'll probably come to the same conclusion yourself once you outgrow your, ooh, what is it, 13-year-old angst ?
Nuff said.
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now, however, he's really good.
strange how that happened...
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But you don't know ONE thing about him other than how pretty his images are and how much he wails about dying love like he had a sharp, splintered bamboo shoot stuck up his bum. I read articles about fans in their blogs who lay in bed at night and cry listening too BE songs. Oh make us all spank ourselves with a leather whip.
I speak from a personal experience when i say he's a freaking jerk..girls don't leave him, he screws them over, or fucks them and moves on too the next one. He's a chronic loser, cheating on all the things he supposedly cares about, idolizes people who kill themselves (like dear elliott smith) He doesn't give a damn about fans..he doesn't want anyone too know what he really is about or who he really is, he's a freaking hypocritical loser EMO poser..he's not emo. He just wants too be something..anything!
Then again on the Brighter side of all this I can see why he is adored by so many girls who haven't lost their virginity yet, or haven't learnt what a joy masterbation truly is...there are better things too do in bed at night than cry too bright eyes lyrics and put yourself in a depressional and emotional coma that lasts for days. I never knew sadness w