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by dove_from_above
Dear DiS

I am single, and this is beginning to bother me. As prickish as it may sound, I don't think it's that I'm exactly a woman repellant, but just that I haven't met anybody recently actually worth meeting

Anyway, my mate Lang and I were discussing this the other day, and he raised an interesting topic. Does music taste actually matter when meeting somebody?

He has no interest in music whatsoever, and found it hard to comprehend that I may be put off somebody due to their taste. But then I thought about it, and I still can't figure which of the following two scenarios would be worse when meeting a new lady (or man, whatever):

a) Meeting somebody who has absolutely no interest in music at all (going to gigs together would be pointless, a world of potential conversation missed etc)

or c) Having absolutely shocking taste. The kind of taste that is impossible to work out the thinking behind

I can't figure out if this is something that is keeping me the sad, lonely man I am. If it is, I hate the idea of it. Would it matter to anybody else? Or am I sounding too much like a cock?

Yours hopefully,

Confused in Carlisle
dove_from_above | 19 Oct '05, 19:44 | Send note | Report this | Reply

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No, I agree.
I often ask myself, "would i go out with a 50 cent fan?" the answer "no, i would rather gnaw my leg off."

YOU'RE NOT ALONE! and you don't sound like a prick, it all made sense. However, making awesome mixtapes does often solve thia problem ----> see my friend, anna. And dragging them along to concerts can help. Even if they don't want to. Because who could hate an awesome le tigre concert?! WHO?! NOT ANNA.

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I made a mixtape for someone i fancied and she used it to try and make a spider kill itself...

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I'm thinking that Anna could becoming a shining light for this situation

A spokesperson, if you will, to help convert lost souls

Anna ryhmes with MC Hammer (almost). This is something to think about

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Music matters lots if you're the kind of person who goes to gigs all the time...

I don't think it matters to the extent that I wouldn't go out with someone with no/shite taste, but it'd certainly put me of a bit, unless of course they were OMFGWeLLBUFffTINGS.

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Aye, but it seems there's only so much she can take. I made her a 40 track long mixtape, which may have been too much at once, as she told me lots of it was dull.

*spits*

but yes, it's better than nothing. You can even talk about why anna found joanna newsom and 65daysofstatic dull. hey! it's a conversation about music... better than nothing.

mixtape conversions rock.

that was my 1000th post. Woo!

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She wasn't interested in music at all? But musique est vie!

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Well someone pretty much crafted my music taste, as they led me the way to beautiful and amazing music. So like Anna, a lot of people just need to hear it all and then they can make up their mind. If they themselves are deep and beautiful people of course they will like it.

I think it is best anyways to have someone with a slight difference in their music taste, so you can have (sometimes) more heated conversations. rather then just agreeing.

I find the same problem though. what I find even harder is that having a meaningful conversations with people. I had this fantastic conversation with my friend the other day who had come back from uni as he wasn’t so sure of his course, he had just started and felt like he needed to do something to fore fill his life more. Then just carry on living in this western society. It made me really think about what I want out of life and I’m still thinking. I thought I was starting to like him more then a friend but then I realised that it wasn’t that, it was just I had the 1st non-mind numbing conversation for a while.
I think people need to be able to have some kinda depth or their just sooo boring and motionless.
I hope I make sense.

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I wouldnt be bothered by music taste.

It would help, buts it not the be all and end all.

I can't stand people i regard as stupid though...

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Read this man.

Who Do You Love?
Music Snobbery in the Dating World
10.12.05

by ken napzok

Relationships are complicated. That is, of course, the understatement to end all understatements. Throw two humans together and tell them to "hash it all out" and make things last more than a year… or a month… or a week, and you're asking for something so difficult that someone should sit God down one day and ask, "Love? What gives?" So, with things as complicated as they are, why would you want to make it more difficult? Simple. Your taste in music is important. Your special love interest's taste in music is doubly so.

We've all done it. We've all met someone new and fallen head over heels, jumped head first into a school yard-style crush, and had it all come to a screeching halt because of some expressed love of something horrible. Maybe it's not something horrible, but something on your "I hate this crap" list or something on your "I'm sure any one who listens to this crap is an idiot" list. It's a terrible moment. You have before you a wonderful, funny, smart, attractive person and you're ready to dive into the fray, intentionally collide your two worlds, and suddenly you realize that getting into that person's car means you're going to have to endure a mix tape with tracks from Smashmouth, Black Eyed Peas, and Phil Collins. Now, this isn't to say that you can't enjoy a catchy Smashmouth chorus, laugh at the ugly Asian-looking dude from the Black Eyed Peas, or realize you have never felt it calling in the air at night. No, no, no… you can put aside your music snobbery long to get to the restaurant. The problem is that this is them. Their being. This is the object of your affection at their core. Forget politics and religion… they like Beyonce or Nickelback. Like, really, really like Beyonce or Nickelback.

Call me shallow. Many have. It is a ringing truth, though. You met someone, and then you both lay it all out on the table: hobbies, movies, and music. The music strikes the deepest level. I don't need every woman in my life to want to play golf or watch Field of Dreams, but if they make a weird face when I mention The Beatles- well, now we're in dangerous territory. In my mid-twenties, I had a huge romantic situation fall flat, but it wasn't a surprise. I love Liz Phair, and she constantly made fun of her singing voice. It was doomed from the start. After that relationship came to a crashing halt, I tried to move on. My first date with the next girl was a Beth Orton concert. I was in awe as I stood just a few feet away from Beth Orton as she sang "Pass in Time." It was absolutely one of my favorite moments as a music fan. On the last night of her United States tour of 2002, Miss Orton dove into one of her most powerful songs and left her heart on the stage. It was breathtaking. I was moved. My date tugged on my arm and asked if we could skip the encore. Our entanglement lasted one month, but, really, it ended right then. I gave up on love and the like for a long while after that, but sometime later a friend's parents tried to set me up with one of his mom's employees over a dinner gathering. The potential love interest was a sexy, good natured, and nice person… who when asked what kind of music she likes told me, "Eh, whatever's on the radio." I spent the rest of the night talking to my friend's dad about the golden age of rock and when it ended (he believed 1974. I could offer no good argument to counter, so I conceded the floor).

This is not to say that it is all about bad taste and good taste based on radio airplay or popularity, or lack thereof. You both could have good taste, but it could just be a split. My last two romances were governed by one woman's love of Tori Amos and another's love of Ani DiFranco. Clearly fine choices made for very personal reasons. I could lob no snobbery or scorn in their direction because both ladies knew their stuff. I could easily respect the choices. The only problem was, I never have and never will get the "vibe" of those two artists, and both these women have based a lot of important moments, thoughts, and points of view around those them. I was going to try to understand it all as both relationships grew. I really was. I even asked the Ani DiFranco fan for a double-disc, introduction-to-Ani compilation CD. The relationship went off track before much longer, and do you know what was one of the first things I thought once it was clear that our great romance was never going to take off? Yep, it was, "Phew. Close one. Now, I don't have to try to like Ani." Of course, only a few months before it had been, "Great. Now I don't have to buy any Tori Amos albums." And, hey, all's fair in love and war, I'm sure those two women both probably thought, "Good. No more sad, British or British-like singer-songwriters" when they walked the opposite direction from me. No hard feelings, ladies. I totally understand.

Mix tapes and compilations offer some hope and salvation. It is possible to give your beloved a disc of your favorite songs and have them connect with some of the songs, but it's never going to be a full conversion. Never. Later on in the relationship you might be able to build a catalog of shared favorite songs, but they will probably have more to do with the story of your relationship, and that just means at some point you'll be singing along to an Abba song. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, dancing queen, I'm just saying that those songs will be neutral. Your core favorites won't be shared. It just won't happen. No matter how many times you say, "listen to this Clem Snide song." Trust me.

This is why it is such a beautiful thing when you can walk through a record store with the person you are totally crushing over and watch as they stop at all the sections you were going to stop at. Sure, there might be some differences, but that's OK. That's part of the whole difficult relationship "thing." Compromise does extend to the CD player. I'm just saying that when the genres sync up, when the interests and appreciations are on the same page, it is a wonderful moment. A sigh of relief. A breath of fresh air. One more reason to keep on searching for love in an iPod world.

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That was a good read!

I don't think my issue goes as deep as Mr Napzok's (sterling name, by the way). I am but 20 years old, and I guess time is on my side

But the second she mentions Razorlight...

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Yeah, I mean I have to admit, I'm in the same boat as you. Music taste does matter to me, because music matters to me. More than a lot of other things in my life. So if she's dancing along to 'Akon' or some other form of uninteresting (c)rap then I'm walking out that door. Even if she did save my puppy from a burning house or give me a kidney.

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harsh. very harsh.

certainly, interest in music is necessary. interest in good music. to my mind, the sea of people out there who don't care about music just seems... grey. or beige. or taupe. blah-shaped. snobbish, sure, but if music is a massive and essential part of your life, it's incredibly hard to spend large amounts of your time with someone who doesn't give a shit on any level.

nevertheless, that a person i care about could love a band that i loathe or vice versa, is not an issue; their ability to respect my taste, whether or not they agree with it, and accept my love for bands that might appall them [and separate their feelings for me from their feelings about my music taste] is more important. joshing each other over music taste is all well and good, but i wouldn't want to feel despised for liking some of the bands i like, so i wouldn't do it to anyone else. your taste in music [more how and why you like those bands than the mere fact that you like them, i think] might reflect certain things about you, but you are NOT the bands you like. way more important to me able to have a conversation about music and cheerfully disagree on things, than to just agree on everything. if someone likes all the same shit as you, what are you going to learn?

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I think i'm with fullerov on this one.

Music taste isn't that important when it comes to girls. I mean it's a wicked bonus and all, just not everything.

I think intelligence is what I find most attractive/important

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My girlfriend likes the Killers.

This is not as bad, to me, as some of you may find it; I quite like them also, just think they're overrated. But I keep trying to get her to listen to other stuff I think she might like based on her liking the Killers, and she really isn't very receptive, and this pains me, and we argue about it.

BUT it's nice to have one bit of your life that ISN'T shared, when you're really close to someone in almost every other respect.

So, either way, I reckon it can work, it always comes down to how strong the general relationship is in the end.

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You should see the music taste of my wife...

But that doesn't matter, a woman you love is not necessarly someone with the same taste as you...

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I consider people with bad taste in music as shallow, I also know to dismiss someones worth based on their taste in music is shallow. I have never been able to reconcile the two.

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My girlfriend claims the one thing, if it was to be boiled down to one, that made her want to go out with me was the mixtape I made her. It was nothing special to me - but for her it awoke feelings dormant inside her of unexplored passion. For a lot of people good music is difficult to find. If it's not immediately to hand in this ever growing consumptive age, then many a talent is lost under a tidal wave of excrement. Therefore, I am a great exponent of the mixtape.

It worked for me and we're still together four and a half years later. She still like some royal rubbish though.

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I've had this discussion on here before, but I would say that it's not taste that matters particularly (the ex-squirrel liked Embrace and Ocean Colour Scene when we met, bless him), but there is no way I could ever go out with anyone who wasn't passionate about music. I would just have nothing to say to someone who 'likes everything, really' (i.e. James Blunt). I could be their friend, but never their girlfriend.

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My girlfriend likes the same music as me (apart from my "fey indie bollocks" albums...harsh) and it helps a lot.

However, I wouldn't say it's all-important. Surely there's something else you can bond over?

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Mr Slicky listens mainly to classical piano nowadays, which is quite a departure from the music I listen to, which he generally defines as "shit".

The only problem we really encounter is when going on long car journeys, but we just make mix CD's or have Radio 4/5 on.

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There's a Mr Slicky?

Damn!!

:o)

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Therefore, I am a great exponent of the mixtape.

Oh, does that mean you finally listened to the one I did you? Not that i'm trying to pull you. Because thats very very wrong.


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blimey. Guessing by the number of people that appear to have used mixtapes to ensnare people they fancy, perhaps i should get on with making that tape for the cute girl at work i've been hankering after for months....

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Mrs Knees and I have been married for over 11 years, and when we met we had many albumn duplicates, basically a kind of John Peel commonality, of course it could also be that the type of music influenced the culture/people we hung around with, so the music taste sharing seems to be a good idea.
I think that the only no-no would be going out with someone who had only mainstream likes and was not prepared to explore, but I imagine that everyone on this board would feel the same...you have to be passionate about music

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being passionate about music doesn't mean trying to convince everyone... ( including the one you love )

My wife let me listen to music, i'm happy with that. We have many other things to share...

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One of the main things I want to share is music and I agree with gen, if you like exactly the same music, what is there to learn from that? Also I find music ties in very closely with another of my favourite hobbies which is booze. And dancing. I've never been out with anyone who wasn't in to music but I think maybe that's coz of who my friends are and the places I meet people.

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My dissatation is on something a bit like this.

So perhaps I can answer in May after tearing my hair out in trying to conduct enough interviews and having read enough about it to be very, very bored about the subject.

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Do you want to interview me and Mrs Bamos? She likes R Kelly.

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Music defines my life, therefore someone I shared my life with would have to like similar music. But these people are impossible to find, and most are put off by a blonde drunken tit anyway.

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Which breast gets drunk?

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Oh how life is a comedy 24/7.

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you talkin bout me?!

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Mrs Sticks likes a lot of 'pop' music which I'm fine with. I tease her about it in a playful way, but she knows I mean it as I'm a bit of a music snob, but we laugh and joke and it's not a major problem. I made her a mixtape and she's really digged some of the stuff on there (Easyworld, System of a Down, The Smiths and she even said that Chas N Dave were a giggle) so I enjoy broadening her horizons whilst safe in the knowledge that I can tolerate what she listens to and its not a problem. She's a classical singer so she 'understands' music.

(I'm trying to get her to listen to Berzerker next.....no, too much? When should I have stopped?)

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No sorry, I was being rather touchy. Maybe. Must the debris of a hangover.

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to lady SCL...who has yet to drink from the fountain of vodka yet.

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Too many yeti's. "Yet". Yeti, a good band name.

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They're a bloody awful band though.

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Then again, maybe the reason you're single is that you think the alphabet goes straight from a to c.

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doesn't matter too much. The only thing I don't like is being accused of liking 'obscure' music just to be awkward. Couldn't go out with someone who thought of me like that.

Other things are more important to me, like politics or maybe more broadly 'worlds views'. That would be a relationship maker or breaker where as music taste is no big deal.

Best situation is when you meet people who like different things to yourself. Going out with someone who has almost identical music taste and knowledge would not only be boring but a sign of self love/the love of personal vindication.

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Look for people who are passionate & knowledgable about music but stop caring so much about exactly which genres theyre into. You might learn something from them about the kind of music they love and vice versa. whether it's an indie kid a hiphop head a raver a punk rock anarchist dude a grime/garage obsessive an IDM geek a reggae obsessive, a geeky all-rounder or whatever. passion is what counts. rather than having the same record collection.

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So I guess... I'd rather they cared deeply about slightly suspect music than not care at all. people who are actually into music are generally able to step back and diversify, given enough encouragement :)

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yes i mean look at me i like the beatles but i also like metal and punk. and also, the girl i like likes all american rejects *vomits* but i can look over that, limited shite music is ok, not to much. i could never go out with someone who likes fiddy, kanye on the other hand...

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I can't believe some of the comments in this thread. Even for someone whose main interest in life is music, to say that that has any bearing at all on one's choice of partner is absurd. It seems to me that such an attitude implies that love is secondary to a leisure pursuit. If you really think that your interests and hobbies are more important or equally as important as your partner then you do not know what love is.

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i agree in part with your point; i guess the question is, how important is it to you, to be able to share leisure pursuits with the one you love? if you're both happy leading fairly separate lives and meeting in the middle, that's all well and good... but a lot of people consider it important to be able to share with their partners the things that interest them [and in the case of yr average music geek, music is more than a passing interest], to be able to both spend their time doing something they enjoy together and have two-way conversations about it [rather than one lecturing the other or both of you simply not talking about it].

i wouldn't choose a partner based on their music taste, but some kind of interest in music, and the ability to be articulate and communicative about it, do matter to me... and might well suggest the ability to be articulate and communicative on other, perhaps more 'important' things.

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My girlfriend pretend to know stuff about the Pixies, like bait for a fish.

We're still together 4 years later.

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This thread should have stopped with John's comment; love is love and that's all there is to it. You do not choose to love someone, you just do it and if you realise it in time you are lucky and if they love you back you are luckier. Yes; it is far far easier to sustain a relationship if he likes your books or if she doesn't get annoyed by things/bands/songs you love....but you would put up with it regardless and be happy and content and smile and laugh and enjoyevery second of your 'suffering' because love is love is love.

But proper, real, real real love....love that you feel every single second, with them and without them and despite them.....nothing can touch love like that. It's simply not possible.

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I also think I should add that everyone should re-read the first page of The Great Gastby.

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That's the best thing you've ever said on these boards Mr Traynor. Well played, sir.

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Exactly what i was trying to say earlier but with much less style...

Well said JD !

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I can see why people are agreeing with Traynor's sentiments, but I really don't agree with them. For me, realistically, my 'leisure pursuit' is more important than love. For a start, most of us on here (including Traynor, I would say) would see music as being far more important than simply a 'leisure pursuit' - it is one of the most vital things to me, and informs pretty much every area of my life. Secondly, I was dumped by someone I was very much in love with, and I've survived. I can imagine my life without love, and I'm still the same person I always was. I can't, however, imagine my life without music. If I could no longer listen to music, talk about music, watch bands etc., I would be someone completely different, someone I can't visualise. And for this reason, I don't think the situation would arise where I would fall in love with someone who had no interest in music.

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maybe JDT is right, I have never 'not gone out' with someone that I fancy because of their taste, although I may have gone off someone because of their taste.....its difficult to say.... why do you go off people?
I have mostly gone out with people who I met through my following of music, cos that was what I did.
I like matt's view.

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I like Matt's view too.

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I really don't think there are that many people in the world who have no interest in music at all. But some people are just more passionate about other things like film, literature, art or sports - Say for example, you met someone who was a real film buff and that was his/her thing and they felt that way about films instead of music - would that turn you off?
( I know you can love both - but there is always gonna be one thing that takes up more of your time)

Couldn't matt's theory about passion apply to all interests

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That's an interesting point actually! Probably, if it was something I liked too. I'm nearly as passionate about film as I am about music, so that could work. But if someone's passion was sport, or something else I really don't care about, I don't think we'd connect.

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Your comments are logical regarding making new friends but, surely, for a relationship, more is required than just similar interests.


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I only go out with people with good/reasonable music taste. So long as they're passionate about it, I guess. I couldn't really envisage spending a lot of time with someone with no interest in music whatsoever.

Daniel has extremely good music taste so he wins. Apart from bright eyes.