Dear DiS
I am single, and this is beginning to bother me. As prickish as it may sound, I don't think it's that I'm exactly a woman repellant, but just that I haven't met anybody recently actually worth meeting
Anyway, my mate Lang and I were discussing this the other day, and he raised an interesting topic. Does music taste actually matter when meeting somebody?
He has no interest in music whatsoever, and found it hard to comprehend that I may be put off somebody due to their taste. But then I thought about it, and I still can't figure which of the following two scenarios would be worse when meeting a new lady (or man, whatever):
a) Meeting somebody who has absolutely no interest in music at all (going to gigs together would be pointless, a world of potential conversation missed etc)
or c) Having absolutely shocking taste. The kind of taste that is impossible to work out the thinking behind
I can't figure out if this is something that is keeping me the sad, lonely man I am. If it is, I hate the idea of it. Would it matter to anybody else? Or am I sounding too much like a cock?
Yours hopefully,
Confused in Carlisle
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I often ask myself, "would i go out with a 50 cent fan?" the answer "no, i would rather gnaw my leg off."
YOU'RE NOT ALONE! and you don't sound like a prick, it all made sense. However, making awesome mixtapes does often solve thia problem ----> see my friend, anna. And dragging them along to concerts can help. Even if they don't want to. Because who could hate an awesome le tigre concert?! WHO?! NOT ANNA.
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A spokesperson, if you will, to help convert lost souls
Anna ryhmes with MC Hammer (almost). This is something to think about
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I don't think it matters to the extent that I wouldn't go out with someone with no/shite taste, but it'd certainly put me of a bit, unless of course they were OMFGWeLLBUFffTINGS.
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*spits*
but yes, it's better than nothing. You can even talk about why anna found joanna newsom and 65daysofstatic dull. hey! it's a conversation about music... better than nothing.
mixtape conversions rock.
that was my 1000th post. Woo!
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I think it is best anyways to have someone with a slight difference in their music taste, so you can have (sometimes) more heated conversations. rather then just agreeing.
I find the same problem though. what I find even harder is that having a meaningful conversations with people. I had this fantastic conversation with my friend the other day who had come back from uni as he wasn’t so sure of his course, he had just started and felt like he needed to do something to fore fill his life more. Then just carry on living in this western society. It made me really think about what I want out of life and I’m still thinking. I thought I was starting to like him more then a friend but then I realised that it wasn’t that, it was just I had the 1st non-mind numbing conversation for a while.
I think people need to be able to have some kinda depth or their just sooo boring and motionless.
I hope I make sense.
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It would help, buts it not the be all and end all.
I can't stand people i regard as stupid though...
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Who Do You Love?
Music Snobbery in the Dating World
10.12.05
by ken napzok
Relationships are complicated. That is, of course, the understatement to end all understatements. Throw two humans together and tell them to "hash it all out" and make things last more than a year… or a month… or a week, and you're asking for something so difficult that someone should sit God down one day and ask, "Love? What gives?" So, with things as complicated as they are, why would you want to make it more difficult? Simple. Your taste in music is important. Your special love interest's taste in music is doubly so.
We've all done it. We've all met someone new and fallen head over heels, jumped head first into a school yard-style crush, and had it all come to a screeching halt because of some expressed love of something horrible. Maybe it's not something horrible, but something on your "I hate this crap" list or something on your "I'm sure any one who listens to this crap is an idiot" list. It's a terrible moment. You have before you a wonderful, funny, smart, attractive person and you're ready to dive into the fray, intentionally collide your two worlds, and suddenly you realize that getting into that person's car means you're going to have to endure a mix tape with tracks from Smashmouth, Black Eyed Peas, and Phil Collins. Now, this isn't to say that you can't enjoy a catchy Smashmouth chorus, laugh at the ugly Asian-looking dude from the Black Eyed Peas, or realize you have never felt it calling in the air at night. No, no, no… you can put aside your music snobbery long to get to the restaurant. The problem is that this is them. Their being. This is the object of your affection at their core. Forget politics and religion… they like Beyonce or Nickelback. Like, really, really like Beyonce or Nickelback.
Call me shallow. Many have. It is a ringing truth, though. You met someone, and then you both lay it all out on the table: hobbies, movies, and music. The music strikes the deepest level. I don't need every woman in my life to want to play golf or watch Field of Dreams, but if they make a weird face when I mention The Beatles- well, now we're in dangerous territory. In my mid-twenties, I had a huge romantic situation fall flat, but it wasn't a surprise. I love Liz Phair, and she constantly made fun of her singing voice. It was doomed from the start. After that relationship came to a crashing halt, I tried to move on. My first date with the next girl was a Beth Orton concert. I was in awe as I stood just a few feet away from Beth Orton as she sang "Pass in Time." It was absolutely one of my favorite moments as a music fan. On the last night of her United States tour of 2002, Miss Orton dove into one of her most powerful songs and left her heart on the stage. It was breathtaking. I was moved. My date tugged on my arm and asked if we could skip the encore. Our entanglement lasted one month, but, really, it ended right then. I gave up on love and the like for a long while after that, but sometime later a friend's parents tried to set me up with one of his mom's employees over a dinner gathering. The potential love interest was a sexy, good natured, and nice person… who when asked what kind of music she likes told me, "Eh, whatever's on the radio." I spent the rest of the night talking to my friend's dad about the golden age of rock and when it ended (he believed 1974. I could offer no good argument to counter, so I conceded the floor).
This is not to say that it is all about bad taste and good taste based on radio airplay or popularity, or lack thereof. You both could have good taste, but it could just be a split. My last two romances were governed by one woman's love of Tori Amos and another's love of Ani DiFranco. Clearly fine choices made for very personal reasons. I could lob no snobbery or scorn in their direction because both ladies knew their stuff. I could easily respect the choices. The only problem was, I never have and never will get the "vibe" of those two artists, and both these women have based a lot of important moments, thoughts, and points of view around those them. I was going to try to understand it all as both relationships grew. I really was. I even asked the Ani DiFranco fan for a double-disc, introduction-to-Ani compilation CD. The relationship went off track before much longer, and do you know what was one of the first things I thought once it was clear that our great romance was never going to take off? Yep, it was, "Phew. Close one. Now, I don't have to try to like Ani." Of course, only a few months before it had been, "Great. Now I don't have to buy any Tori Amos albums." And, hey, all's fair in love and war, I'm sure those two women both probably thought, "Good. No more sad, British or British-like singer-songwriters" when they walked the opposite direction from me. No hard feelings, ladies. I totally understand.
Mix tapes and compilations offer some hope and salvation. It is possible to give your beloved a disc of your favorite songs and have them connect with some of the songs, but it's never going to be a full conversion. Never. Later on in the relationship you might be able to build a catalog of shared favorite songs, but they will probably have more to do with the story of your relationship, and that just means at some point you'll be singing along to an Abba song. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, dancing queen, I'm just saying that those songs will be neutral. Your core favorites won't be shared. It just won't happen. No matter how many times you say, "listen to this Clem Snide song." Trust me.
This is why it is such a beautiful thing when you can walk through a record store with the person you are totally crushing over and watch as they stop at all the sections you were going to stop at. Sure, there might be some differences, but that's OK. That's part of the whole difficult relationship "thing." Compromise does extend to the CD player. I'm just saying that when the genres sync up, when the interests and appreciations are on the same page, it is a wonderful moment. A sigh of relief. A breath of fresh air. One more reason to keep on searching for love in an iPod world.
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I don't think my issue goes as deep as Mr Napzok's (sterling name, by the way). I am but 20 years old, and I guess time is on my side
But the second she mentions Razorlight...
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certainly, interest in music is necessary. interest in good music. to my mind, the sea of people out there who don't care about music just seems... grey. or beige. or taupe. blah-shaped. snobbish, sure, but if music is a massive and essential part of your life, it's incredibly hard to spend large amounts of your time with someone who doesn't give a shit on any level.
nevertheless, that a person i care about could love a band that i loathe or vice versa, is not an issue; their ability to respect my taste, whether or not they agree with it, and accept my love for bands that might appall them [and separate their feelings for me from their feelings about my music taste] is more important. joshing each other over music taste is all well and good, but i wouldn't want to feel despised for liking some of the bands i like, so i wouldn't do it to anyone else. your taste in music [more how and why you like those bands than the mere fact that you like them, i think] might reflect certain things about you, but you are NOT the bands you like. way more important to me able to have a conversation about music and cheerfully disagree on things, than to just agree on everything. if someone likes all the same shit as you, what are you going to learn?
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Music taste isn't that important when it comes to girls. I mean it's a wicked bonus and all, just not everything.
I think intelligence is what I find most attractive/important
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This is not as bad, to me, as some of you may find it; I quite like them also, just think they're overrated. But I keep trying to get her to listen to other stuff I think she might like based on her liking the Killers, and she really isn't very receptive, and this pains me, and we argue about it.
BUT it's nice to have one bit of your life that ISN'T shared, when you're really close to someone in almost every other respect.
So, either way, I reckon it can work, it always comes down to how strong the general relationship is in the end.
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But that doesn't matter, a woman you love is not necessarly someone with the same taste as you...
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It worked for me and we're still together four and a half years later. She still like some royal rubbish though.
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However, I wouldn't say it's all-important. Surely there's something else you can bond over?
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The only problem we really encounter is when going on long car journeys, but we just make mix CD's or have Radio 4/5 on.
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Damn!!
:o)
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Oh, does that mean you finally listened to the one I did you? Not that i'm trying to pull you. Because thats very very wrong.
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I think that the only no-no would be going out with someone who had only mainstream likes and was not prepared to explore, but I imagine that everyone on this board would feel the same...you have to be passionate about music
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My wife let me listen to music, i'm happy with that. We have many other things to share...
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So perhaps I can answer in May after tearing my hair out in trying to conduct enough interviews and having read enough about it to be very, very bored about the subject.
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(I'm trying to get her to listen to Berzerker next.....no, too much? When should I have stopped?)
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Other things are more important to me, like politics or maybe more broadly 'worlds views'. That would be a relationship maker or breaker where as music taste is no big deal.
Best situation is when you meet people who like different things to yourself. Going out with someone who has almost identical music taste and knowledge would not only be boring but a sign of self love/the love of personal vindication.
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i wouldn't choose a partner based on their music taste, but some kind of interest in music, and the ability to be articulate and communicative about it, do matter to me... and might well suggest the ability to be articulate and communicative on other, perhaps more 'important' things.
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We're still together 4 years later.
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But proper, real, real real love....love that you feel every single second, with them and without them and despite them.....nothing can touch love like that. It's simply not possible.
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Well said JD !
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I have mostly gone out with people who I met through my following of music, cos that was what I did.
I like matt's view.
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( I know you can love both - but there is always gonna be one thing that takes up more of your time)
Couldn't matt's theory about passion apply to all interests
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Daniel has extremely good music taste so he wins. Apart from bright eyes.