Yeah, basically. I don't dispute the right of any band (or indeed any individual in any artform) to consider themselves as artistically motivated, as opposed to perceiving what they do as a job, or (worse) a 'hobby'. Who are the so-called art-rockers, as according to NME? I don't read it. To me, art-rock comes from sources such as Television (hence my review of them, in which I descrive them as 'the paragon of art-rock bands', Sonic Youth, Tortoise, Stereolab, Can - bands who it is fruitless to compare anybody else to, bands who other bands aspire to be influenced by. Innovators in their field, who have left a genuine body of artistic labour behind, who have achieved the artistic dreams of beauty and originality. I think it's a shame if art rock is used as a media whore term to flog a few retro skinny guitar merchants lame-ass records. Squarepusher is an artist (if not an artrocker). Warp's a great place to find genuine artists (It really pisses me off when American major labels refer to their pampered pop kittens as artists... But hey...) "Beauty is truth and truth beauty That is all you shall know on earth And all you need to know."