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scary
they were the ones on Louis Theroux, weren't they?
nazi punks fuck off
Yeah, it came up on another board i was reading earlier on. they were the one on louis meets the nazis.
disgusting, hate-filled people.
hesse loving
little demonic devil spawn
Fuck...
That's terrifying!
Tragic
and not even their fault. People like that shouldn't have children. The kind of things the parents come out with are so pathetic.
Hideous
I remember that Louis Theroux thing.
They were completely spoonfed racism and were made to play gigs at all these nazi white pride cunt-fests.
That is
fucking horrific.
Only...
In America...
well.
Germany too...
To be honest
I don't see why people are so shocked.
We know that there are racist people in the world. There are racist films, books etc
Why would there also not be racist music?
and personally by 13 people should take at least some responsibility, and thereforewe should not assume that it's all the parents fault.
Yeah but...
What are the lyrics like?
At 13, on average your opinions and writing skills are still pretty basic... surely they must have help writing the words? They probably don't give a shit... theyre just told too.
Its probably a CIA thing...
It is the parents fault
in this case...from what I've seen of that setup - kept away from school and outside influences, surrounded by neo-Nazi groups.
What concerns me is that when/if they begin to question the views that have been foisted upon them how will they be able to break away from it?
Your parents
influence you naturally...
i think by 13 people are not empty vassals...
where else
are they getting their information from.
yeah, that statement might be true of my experience of growing up but this case is a little more complicated than that.
Not true.
People of 30 can be empty vassals. Depends on the person(s) though.
Look at the way the media can manipulate peoples' opinions. No different to what their parents have done.
They
still need to take responsibility.
People of all ages can be manipulated/influenced, the parents of the girls would say we have been manipulated... however at some point we must set out a point at which personal responsibility occurs.
yeah kind of
someone has to take responsibility at somepoint, if people are what their parents make them then you can't blame the parents because they're just the product of their own parents etc. to infinity. Having said that this case is pretty bad these kids are home schooled, I doubt they get much ascess to television everything they know of the world comes through their parents in must be very hard to break out of that.
yeah...
it's kinda sad.
-carter
....
mmm.. very
-cockwank
Ok...
...yeah i'll give you that one.
Louie was great...
…in that episode arguing with the mother about her views, he said ‘well most people don’t share your idea of the truth’ she said ‘who is most people’ he said ‘we in civilised thought’
That's really sad.
I mean, their mom made them think that since thats how they were brought up so it isnt all their fault. But i mean....it's certainly orignal. Theywere home-schooled on the beliefs of their mother, not the actual facts, so they arent too educated and they are every closed minded, but i'm sure if thats all THEIR fault.....but really....that's sad. It doesnt make me angry, it makes me sad.
-Carter
mmmm
-Farter
It's worrying but...
It may be fucking scary but I think that it should be given as little publicity as possible, first of all. Secondly, there are racist groups already including Rammstein, and we might be blowing this all out of proportion a bit.
!
Rasist views arent something you are born with, it has to taught to you which is what we have here, they obviously don't know what they are doing is not just wrong but sick too, (and a little sad). I wasn't raised like that so I can't even comprehend that type of thought process.
rammstein...
are racist??
Bakersfield
is California's redneck haven. You have to go there to fully appreciate how low the lowest common denominator of the human race can be. I wouldn't get to upset over this, it's nothing. These people will get their 15 minutes of fame on the Jerry Springer show and then they'll be back in their trailer park to drink shitty beer and spout racist bullshit no one else pays the least bit of attention to. Stories like this give one the impression that somehow this sort of racism is a prevailing opinion of a large percentage of the US population and that simply isn't the case. We only hate the French.
I used to work with...
A well educated twenty-two year old middle class white man called Tony, who's parents grew up in East London
He was racist, and constantly tried defending it as ok because his parents had grown up in a situation that I "wouldn't understand"
We argued about this alot, but the hideous thing was that other people at work said that could sympathise with his opinions. Seriously, some people are beyond retarded
blah
Seymour, your band appear to have taken over Camden tube station. I pass the big ads every day. Madness.
Haha, "abandon reply" I've only just noticed that...
...
Ah, but doesn't everyone these days?
oops
Hate the French, I mean. This having to enter a Subject thing's a bit weird, innit?
Miss Black America have officially bought Camden tube station. We've installed a lab where we experiment on ex-bassists and then let them run round the empty tunnels at night with knives.
personnally...
... i hate most french people !!!
wow!
How many have you met?
i've met a lot...
...because i'm french !
So, i don't hate them, just feeling sometimes a bit ashamed when i has to chose between Chirac and Le Pen...
How did we ever come to this...
Hate?
Hate is a fucking strong word.
Re: the story above
Stevemour_MBArse knows how I feel about racism.
could you...
experiment on my band's ex-drummers as well? We've got a rehearsal room fullllll of drums we're not allowed to use because of them...
Rammstein...
are almost certainly not racist.
"Some people are racist" shocker
Hate to break it to you, but there are lots of racist people in this country too. They're just slightly more clever about it.
Really?
Does that mean we should adopt poker faces when this sort of stuff comes up?
Acceptance leads to blase attitudes. Which may be worse than, or is at least on a par with, those being blatantly racist.
Really.
Don't put words in my mouth. I'm just saying that I'm jaded and past caring.
I'm not
putting words in your mouth. If anything you've voiced the attitude I was referring to. Jaded/blase - have similar meanings.
mmhmm
Then by all means go and teach those inbred hicks a thing or two.
hhmhh
well Louis Theroux tried and failed. And he's a much more amiable chap than me. So I'll probably give it a miss.
But I think that some people brought up around racist attitudes can break free from them.
Insert brain here
To be fair though, you made a good point, I just felt the need to defend my stupid glib comment, even though I didn't fully mean it. And you have a much better grasp of semantics.
semantics?
he he
Some lyrics
Sorry, I've just been reading through their website and I'm somewhat gobsmacked. At such a time as I calm myself enough to form decent sentences I will. In the meantime, here's some of their lyrics, from a pleasant ditty the girls wrote themselves called 'Aryan Man Awake'. Is anybody else slightly scared?
"When the man who plows the fields is driven from his lands. When the carpenter must give away what he's built with his own hands. When a mother's only children belong to her no more. And black masked men with guns come bashing down the doors. Where freedom exists for only those with darker skin. Where lies and propaganda will never let you win. Where symbols of your heritage are held with such contempt, and benefits of country 'cept tax are you exempt .
Aryan man awake, How much more will you take, Turn that fear to hate, Aryan man awake.
Can you see how they lie to warp your daughter's minds? Can you let your sons be trodden down or held behind? Can you apologize for things you did not do, and leave this battle that we fight to the proud and the few? What will it take for you to waken to the truth? What will it take for you to remember your own youth? What will you give up to help this worthy Cause, and strike with force and fury, without a single pause?
What will it take for you to remember your own folk? What will it take for you to break that heavy yoke? Why do you still cast your eyes downward to the ground? Worry lest what you say have prejudicial sound. Who will stand beside us when the war begins? Who will run and hide their heads and wait to see who wins? Who will face the end and watch a Valkyrie ride forth To join the gods and fallen stormtroopers of the North?"
Counterpoint
Y'know, in a way, it's almost a good thing we have these l'il shedevils. By taking racism to such an extreme it's easy to see how utterly ridiculous, scary, awful... this sort of behavior is. The sort of racism that's prevailent in today's society seems to be more subtle: whites promoted faster, frowning on inter-racial relationships, and other forms of stereotyping. So that when you see crazy evil chicks like these two you say to yourself: Hey, this racism thing is crazy...and maybe I shouldn't just assume the black dude walking down the street is a crack addict, that not every Mexican picks strawberries for a living...that I myself have some of these prejudices (to a lesser degree) and that I've got to work on that, work on becoming a better human being myself. That make sense? Plus, y'know, it's funny to watch the white trash beat each other up on the Jerry Springer show. ;-)
Yes, that is pretty creepy.
But I find it even more creepy when bigots pose as a legitimate political organisation. Below is a link to the BNP's manifesto - the section entitled "Abolishing multiculturalism - preserving identity". If you're short on time, just skip to the list of proposals at the end (the preceding spiel, to cut a long story short says "we are not racists. Seriously.")
I would like to think, as silence-r suggested, that racial prejudice is not innate. In that case, a political party with aspirations of becoming mainstream is far more dangerous than those half-baked lyrics, no matter how photogenic those girls are.