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Stone Sour Astoria
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by Chris Nettleton
The last time I saw Winnebago Deal was supporting Fugazi, and I wasn't totally blown away, though they did rock considerably. Though I only caught the close of their set this time, it was a very different context, and all of a sudden they made good good sense, but more about that later...

I wonder if there is a 'Contemporary Metal' course running in american performing-arts schools?... or perhaps a TV program like 'Rockschool'...( but instead named 'Jockschool'? ). That would go some way to explaining how you can get a band like Saliva. I knew within ten seconds of the band arriving on stage what the whole set was going to be like (Don't you just hate it when that happens?)...Yep..they had a slick sound, heavy low-tuned guitars, the odd big chorus, some singing bits, more heavy guitars, plenty of fucking, but sadly only the kind that punctuates bad sentences... I was hoping beyond hope that somehow they'd turn things on their head and mess with my original opinion... but no... near-computer generated metal. No surprises, no sadness, no joy, no laughs, no tears.. just an hour where I could have been doing something else that would have undoubtedly been more fun. ( and what's with the roadie running on to wipe away the beer splashes from the stage.... you boys got precious li'l cotton wool tootsies or somethin'???)

For those who don't know, the singer in Stone Sour, a certain Corey Taylor, used to front Slipknot, those globally multi-squillion selling antiheroes from Des Moines, Iowa. As such, Corey is used to playing stadiums, and when he came out on stage to the mere two thou' of a sold-out Astoria, the result was a little like the sermon on the mount of metal. Not to put too fine a point on it, if Corey had dropped his turd in a pot and thrown it into the audience, they would have drawn blood fighting over who got to take it home. He ripped up a poster of Gareth Gates on stage, which is one of the most blatantly unimaginative things a metal singer could ever do in front of we cynical brits and the audience were practically blowing him for it!... Yeah, call it ultra confidence, call it professionalism, call it charisma, call it what you want... fact is.... he said jump, you said 'How High?'. Because of the sheer balls of Corey Taylor, Stone Sour managed to retain my interest during an overlong set, but in reality I wondered whether they were that dissimilar to Saliva. What do you get when you slow down the frenetic adrenaline thrash of Slipknot and add a bit more melodic singing (given that that frenetic thrashy chaos was what made Slipknot different) ???
.... you get a rather conventional modern metal band. Very polished, very powerful, but ultimately lacking in that certain something that makes a mark on history. With his background, I think it's quite fair to expect a lot more of Mr.Taylor and his cohorts.

Which brings me back to Winnebago Deal. They didn't have the huge money behind them, or the history of huge audiences. Neither have they been lucky enough to appear on the soundtrack of a blockbuster film (Both Corey Taylor and Saliva singer Josey Scott were on the soundtrack of Spider-Man ,Josey Scott duetting with Chad Kroeger of Nickelback) . What Winnebago Deal do have, over and above all the 'superstars' on display today, is originality.An overload of copycat and identikit bands is steering metal up a dead end .... Thank god somebody is trying a few different directions.

  • Saliva 7 / 10
  • Winnebago Deal 7 / 10
  • Stone Sour 7 / 10
Words: Chris Nettleton

Winnebago Deal - London Astoria

not originality perhaps but it's something different and a bit refreshing seeing as everything's meant to be Nu at the moment and they're a bit Old

Stone Sour + Saliva + Winnebago Deal - London Asto

I think the context was everything.When played back to back with two relatively indentikit US metal bands, the 'Deal sounded very original, though I acknowledge that it's probably the two-piece element of the equation that secures the moniker. Hey....even if hey DID have a bass player, they'd still sound like Motorhead with added Stooges... and that's ALL good!!

Re: Stone Sour + Saliva + Winnebago Deal - London Asto

Aye, don't think I quite got it from lastnights show.

Re: Stone Sour + Saliva + Winnebago Deal - London Asto

they can do better than that. i've seen it. thing is, they're good but they're not better than colour of fire or span. [sorry gareth...... :)] so in contrast they didn't look brilliant.

i still enjoyed them though.

*DUH*-NUURRGHH.

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Re: Stone Sour + Saliva + Winnebago Deal - London Asto

So, its just me that think CoF should be tried in some sort of court of musical crimes. And found guilty of pretty much everything. And then taken out and shot?

Yeah, probably is.

Re: Stone Sour + Saliva + Winnebago Deal - London Asto

no, sonnymelad, it's not just you.

but you're in a small minority.

:)

*skips away*

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Re: Stone Sour + Saliva + Winnebago Deal - London

I agree Gareth...

Colour of Fire = new King Adora

Re: Stone Sour + Saliva + Winnebago Deal - London

so you are homophobic as well as racist?

Re: Stone Sour + Saliva + Winnebago Deal - London Asto

Just noticed that you work in property Gareth- very rock and roll, I must say.
I wondered how a nobrot like you could make a living (because its obviously not through your writing, which is sub-Lester Bangs, deperately 'controversial' and quite tiresome really). I'm sure you fit right in there with all your estate management buddies.

I personally think you should be shot for crimes to this website. Bite me.

Re: Stone Sour + Saliva + Winnebago Deal - London Asto

Jesus.

I'm sorry CoF are shit, okay? bite yourself. And er, the Lester Bangs thing? Have you read more than one Biffy Clyro review by me?
Generally my writing is turgid and to the point. No excitement there, generally.

mmmm. property. If only I did work in real estate management. I might have some money.

The fact that you bothered to check that out worries me.