Recently indifference, indecision and derision have arisen from experiencing two of America�s latest major label exports: ultra-fashionable Chicagoan popcore purveyors Fall Out Boy and Washington�s Deftones-collaborating, indie computer rockers, Idiot Pilot. Both bands have just toured the UK, selling out venues far and wide and having seen both bands now, I was left slightly puzzled when DJ Mike Diver asked me, �Hey Raz, do you think that Idiot Pilot album is any good?� I wasn�t entirely sure but then he said, �Oh, and I really like Fall Out Boy! What do you think?� There was only one feasible option to be taken here. I knew I had to figure out which band was better. I don�t know why that might possibly help, but I do know how. This is how.
Album Quality
Fall Out Boy have seemingly produced the generic emo pop record of all time with Under The Cork Tree. Containing their current top 10 smash hit single, �Sugar, We�re Going Down�, the quartet�s follow-up to 2004�s Take This To Your Grave is a pompous slab of bland sub-rock. Embellished with disastrously unintelligible lyrics and plodding rhythms, the bog-standard tunes are fast-becoming a big fat success. There is no innovation here. This is a bad thing. These records might become the Nevermind of the new generation. Once you�ve finished swallowing that bit of sick back down, you have to wonder: what hope is there for the future if this defines the present?
We�ve only just got Idiot Pilot�s first album released in the UK and, as debuts go, it really isn�t that bad. Combining progressive electronic influences with volatile indie rock lends to an interesting blend of wonderfully structured, avant-garde music. Granted, overly-synthed screamo vocals make undue and excessive appearances throughout, but the collaborations with metal legends Deftones and the affiliated Team Sleep have been found in many a happy DJ�s set. While this album may be slightly rough round some edges, you can be sure that these youngsters will continue to grow and experiment. Much can be expected.
VERDICT? While both bands have thought long and hard about the music they�re making, Idiot Pilot win by a country mile because they decided to make great music, rather than music that sells by the shelfload.
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Live Delivery
The giant emo-pop anthems almost quite literally raise the roof of the Astoria. You can�t help but feel a bit dirty when Fall Out Boy�s frantic hymns are being called out at them from the audience and you feel a bit left out. You feel dirty because you want to join it. It�s ok, though, because as all the lyrics are so incoherent you can just shout any random noise � as long as it fits with the music � and the mini-scenester will flash a glare and four painted fingernails up at you, as it rocks the horns at you in apathetic appreciation. There really is nothing to think about here at all. It�s not a good thing, but it sure is fun. Remember: it is not a good thing. This band will lead to the downfall of modern civilisation, as we know it.
While listening to their songs is enjoyable, watching Idiot Pilot perform them is not fun. The words �embarrassing� and �dull�, however, do come to mind. Granted, they perform the tunes competently and the stage at the Garage is hardly spacious but there are only two of them on stage and nigh on zero equipment to stumble over. Add to that the fact that only fitful singer Michael Harris was making use of the space and you can imagine how he might have looked like an electric penny rattling around in a tin can. For all his admirable effort � strutting about the stage throwing emo posturing and an amateurish microphone swinging technique into the mix � he just looked like a prissy try-hard. Expanding Idiot Pilot into a full touring band is not a recommendation for the next tour. It is a requirement.
VERDICT? The well-travelled Fall Out Boy are guilty of being a much better live band than the youthful Idiot Pilot. I was hoping I wouldn�t have to say that.
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Fashion Police
The magnificently tanned and makeup-smattered Pete Wentz is not exactly the poster boy for the next generation but he does play bass in Fall Out Boy. He�s also well buff, proving that a strategically placed gym membership can work wonders in procuring the groupies discussed in the next section. He wears tight stripy polo shirts to accentuate his buffness. I can bear witness that DiS�s own Sean Adams and Michael Diver also frequently sport such attire. It must be a winner.
Idiot Pilot don�t wear stripy polo shirts and they don�t play bass in Fall Out Boy. The stupid geeks potter around in jeans and t-shirts. Like, get a clue. As if anyone�s gonna buy into a couple of scrawny indie boys. Michael Harris had that cool floppy emo fringe thing going on but otherwise I can only suggest that they get some muscles and some kohl. Maybe then they�ll have a future in the centre pages of some shite magazine.
VERDICT? I had a bit of a moment, but it�s ok. I think Fall Out Boy won for dressing like emos. Not emus. Emos. I don�t really care any more. I�m talking about what they like to wear, for fuck�s sake.
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Groupie Levels
Emo girls are hotter than whatever kind of crowd Idiot Pilot attract. Fall Out Boy are guaranteed to be inundated with naughty requests from slutty little pieces of jailbait that spent longer on their hair than I have on this article. However, the emo crowd are so fickle you just want to smack them into next door. They might still be there tomorrow, when some better music will undoubtedly be played.
Idiot Pilot also do appeal to the Emos but the people at the gig were just generally cooler. And they probably heard about them through seeing Deftones. That means the fans may also like Will Haven, who are bloody brilliant. You know that they are touring next month? If I see any Idiot Pilot fans at the Will Haven gigs, my decision will obviously be vindicated.
VERDICT? Idiot Pilot fans also like Will Haven.
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Cool Factor
Fall Out Boy are on front covers of magazines and are probably going to become very rich. This means that come 2007, they can buy their credibility. With a credit card, probably. Also, they started out on tiny indie label Fuelled By Ramen. Sometimes I am fuelled by ramen. I like the chilli chicken ramen from Wagamama. I think that�s #27 or something. I don�t go there often enough to remember it off by heart.
Not everyone remixes Deftones or Chino�s side dish� I mean side project, Team Sleep. Idiot Pilot have done and they have also been onstage with Chino and the gang. I have been on the stairs of the Kentish Town Forum with Chino when they played that wicked last minute gig with Lostprophets in 2001. That was great. He was so sweaty and kinda clambered over me, covering me in his sweat. Nasty.
VERDICT? Dead heat because I can�t really remember the point.
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So there it is. I have possibly come to a definite conclusion and so I get to test my arithmetic by totting up all the scores over the course of the game. You�re on tenterhooks by now, right. Well no, because you probably checked the final score before you started reading at all. Anyway, here they are�
FINAL SCORES�
Fall Out Boy 21 Idiot Pilot 25
Yep, it was pretty close. They both got rather crap scores in the end. In answer to Mike Diver�s question, I�m not particularly partial to either band but I do like Deftones, Will Haven and Wagamama noodles. None of them are sponsoring me or anything, but I am open to offers. Even t-shirts will do. But the free meal tokens are obviously preferable.
The picture, by the way, is of a boy, falling out of a sledge. I was going to display the results of an idiot pilot, but you damn people would probably get offended, innit!
Bye.
Razx
I like your messy stlye Raz
Fall Out Boy I do detest. But who are these Idiot Pilots. News to me they are. Any good? Not just compared to Fall Out Boy.
Idiot Pilot
I wouldn't say the Idiot Pilot live show was dull. I'd say unmissible just for Michael Harris's dance moves. ;-)
The show on friday at the Joiners was kick ass but I gotta disagree with the girls. I don't think there was one hot girl in the crowd.
If you wanna see some pictures check out http://galleries.photography-of-rock.com/idiotpilot/
I'm offended by that comment
I was at the Joiners on Friday. Although, it looked like there were hardly any girls there. Just lots and lots of guys, or girls that look like guys.
I thought that Idiot Pilot were great live, Michael's dancing was ACE. And they played well, vocals were pretty much spot on.
How can you compare the greatness of Idiot Pilot to the utter shiteness of Fall Out Boy?!?
:lol:
Well obviously I didn't see you. Nor did i conduct a survey of every single girl in the building. But it was mostly kids up front of stage.
Yeah
I wasn't at the front of the stage so obviously you didn't see me ;-) lol
so
all the cute girls were hiding out towards the back away from the band and the photogs? Go figure ;-)
I hate you, Raz
Now..
...wouldn't it be a good time to point out that Fall Out Boy's name reminds me of their music. a sickly and contagious mutant.
i missed idiot pilot
was gonna go to southampton but didnt. stupid disorganisation
there is
no competition here surely?
is this for real?
It's got to be a joke...
how can one compare the 2...
Idiot Pilot=Good
Fallout Boy=Dump
aye
i know, but the close results kinda suggest the two are on a similar plain, which is horse shit
mmm.. noodles...
oh bloody hell, can we call them a post grunge carter usm/sheep on drugs and be done with it?
idiot pilot are okay but i hope they don't set a prescedent for laptop rawk, was hoping to do that meself, shameless plug:
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picture
not fall out boy, but Fall Off Boy, the Idiot Pilot. a brand new super hero sidekick methinks...
comparing to fall out boy
says nothing about idiot pilot. obviously they're gonna be better.
i'd sooner listen
to swgd than watch idiot pilot play live any day.
and i have done both.
the nail in fall out boy's coffin...
is this, for those of you that haven't seen it.
[url]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4435593179243241083[/url]
sorry.
this is the right link.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4435593179243241083
WHAT?!?
fall out boy are an excellent band! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?! have you no taste? That whole article has to be a joke! As for commenting on how hot the fans are, all I can say is get out more.
ugh
this whole article is a joke
all of them all
stop being a douche