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A question for the boys...

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by sarkyfox

if you ask a girl to 'come home with you' and she says no, as she doesn't want to 'ruin anything that might happen and wants to go slow'....

is that the most womany thing to say ever?

is your first thought 'fucking women'....?

etc.

sarkyfox | 22 Feb '06, 10:33 | Send note | Report this | Reply

I've said that to women

before. So I wouldn't mind it. But I might be slightly gay though, so you may want to ignore my evidence.


I've NEVER understood

the whole "take it slow" thing. If you like someone why do you not want to sleep with them? Women are hardly being slags if they go out with someone a couple of times and then have sex with them... Fucking women.

Um, or more to the point, non-fucking women.


Erm...

If you like someone why do you not want to sleep with them?

Maybe because sleeping with someone is probably the most intimate thing it is possible to do with another human being and so shouldn't be treated lightly?


No. See:

'I really like you, so lets just be friends'

....

If you REALLY liked me, you wouldn't say that, would you?

www.myspace.com/warn = FUCKING FUCK!


LMAO.

At the link.


If it is the most womany thing to say

then I'm a woman because I said it on Sunday night

p.s. Do I earn any gentlemanly bonus points?


Yes

You are a fine specimen of Welsh man!


ha ha!

well, i made it blatantly obvious that i WAS interested but due to various factors was going to go home. i was then lambasted by my male flatmates and told 'god that is SUCH a woman thing to say, he wouldn't have given a fuck', to which my answer was 'i didn't want to seem like a slag' - 'GOD YOU'RE SUCH A WOMAN'... uh, yeah. sorry!


I think that

you were right to not go home with him!
You should be proud of yourself!


i've said something along those lines

wasn't about going home but something else. I got my arse dumped.


see, thats what all my girlyfriends have said.

the boys have said the opposite.

fucking men.


Men

are useless! They don't know how to interact with women properly!
As I said to you if he doesn't come back he ain't worth it!


mt bird.....

doesnt even remember the first time we did the business

thought she had been a good girl

drunken bitch


i don't really understand

how would sleeping with someone you fancy make you "seem like a slag"? would it make him one as well?

the only thing you should really consider is if you -wanted- to do it or not. if you didn't, and you said no, fair play as it was the right thing to do. if you did, but said no because of some outdated social opinions, then that should be something to think about.

all in my opinion, anyway.


The other werid women traits include

1) Totally being into a guy then suddenly changing your mind for not reason even though you fancy them
2) Liking blokes you'd otherwise find ugly because of their personality (what's that about? But thank GOD!)
3) Putting SO MUCH emphasis on things like Valentines - pfft.
4) Going wild when out with mates but the moment your boyfriend wants you to have a drink with his mates then NO WAY

Um... actually it amazes me I'm even in a relationship.


BOLLOCKS

1. guys do it ALL THE TIME TOO!!!
2. personality and charm and charisma go a long long way... as does humour.. every guy I've gone out with has been really different in looks - and it's superficial to judge someone sheerly on looks...
3. Valentines, ok, it's nice to be loved but agree it's a greeting card holiday, even though I am a hopeless romantic..
4. I've always hung out with my boyfriends mates and really enjoyed it and formed great friendships.. and in fact, my boyfriend have always hung out with my mates (boys and girls).. so this isn't always the case...


Word Moker!

1. Blokes do change their minds, believe me - it takes a split second and they switch completely!
2. Personalty is important but they have to make me giggle!
3. I hate Valentines Day!
4. I would love to go out with boyfriends friends, but my ex wouldn't invite me out with his mates(I later found out they hated me - funny how they could make a judgement after meeting me once and not talking to me)!


shoulda screwed 'im

innit


Two different things:

If you didn't want to sleep with him due to your feelings then that's cool.

But if you thought he'd think you were a slag that's a bit different. Any guy who was worth being with wouldn't think that, in which case your reasoning for not sleeping with him on a first date was 'womany'.

I think you should have sex early on in a relationship. Otherwise you might find out it's a bit rubbish or you're not compatible after having gone out for weeks and then you've got to dump them and it's really hard...


Of course if i really really

fancy the woman a part of me is gonna be disapointed. I'm still a man. But i much prefer it when a woman is respectful and non tarty.


The woman

doesn't want to ruin anything whilst the man just wants to ruin her


that's a bit old-fashioned isn't it?

"respectful" and "non-tarty" because they don't sleep with you after the first couple of dates? Maybe you should reconsider your own standpoints before you hoist them on other people.


Hey, i'm 35 and maybe i am old fashioned

And i'm NOT hoisting no standpoints onto anyone. I was responding to a fucking question you idiot!


I do apologise

that was a bit harsh. It's just I hate this nasty double standard which always crops up in topics like this.


No Problem

i agree to a certain extent. Maybe my choice of phrase could have been more PC.


i try to wash it at least once a week or it smells

oh hang on I haven't read the question yet...


I'm just going to stick with

my first answer.


it depends if they are fodder or the most breathtaking example of beauty

really doesn't it. There is a means to an end and then their is trying to catch your breath out of joy


very freakily

just as I was writing that 'A Means to An End' by Joy Division started up on my I-pod (have it on shuffle) funny!


i did really want to go back with him,

but, i felt like sleeping with him on the first date is a bit... well, it's not me really. plus i didn't have contact lens solution... and work the next day...

oh it's all very confusing.


You did the right thing!

If it was a Friday night it would be a different story I bet!


Every bloke on the planet will go for it

if they have a chance of getting laid with someone they fancy.

Not all women would. That's the major difference that I just don't understand.


It's slutty

to get pushed round the carpet on the first date of course, but the bloke might have found that attractive


Pushed around the carpet

most visual


Oh my god, I can't believe I just read that?

If someone wants to have sex on the first date, it's hardly sluttish - it's their choice.. besides, why is it different for guys?


I'm good with women

my Mum told me so. Serious, yo.


You might

want to edit that post.

"Hi I'm Todd"

"Hello Todd"


I don't think it ultimately makes a difference

to how a relationship will turn out. But if you're wary of some guy shagging you and then fucking off, it's a good way to find out exactly what it is they are interested in first I guess.


that's true.

i did ask him and he said he wanted to see me again so.... time will tell i suppose.

god, men are so weird.


What?

and women aren't? Actually I think most blokes are total pricks when it comes to women so I have more respect for women's 'weirdness' than some self obsessed mummy's boy


Mummy's boy? Huh?

I think blokes (apart from he few womanising pricks) are always pretty much straight down the line logical.

Afterall Sarkyfox, t'was YOU who wanted to go back but didn't. Illogical.

Mmm, I'm sounding like Spock again.


There's a switch in a lot of guys heads between looking at an encounter as just sex or looking at it as a date or a potential girlfriend. So not putting out straight away edges you towards the latter in his mind. But then, engaging in not-putting-out tactics to hold the attention of a possibly feckless boy is not a good footing to start from. I dunno. There are too many variables to make any sense on this really. Do whatever you feel like and try not to worry about it to much.


not really

girls are wierder, as they generally read a lot more into things like this, similar to what you're doing here ;)
whereas he probably just shrugged it off as another missed chance type thing.


i know i know - i do tend to read into things a lot...

and yeah i suppose he probably did think of it like that.

but he did say he 'definitely wanted to see me again' but, in boyspeak that could mean anything.


or a lucky escape!

LOL, only joking sarky ;-)


how many times

have you written 'men are so weird' in this thread.

It's so fashionable to think men are 'shit', especially if you're the Editor of some women's monthly glossy magazine. Pretty much where everyone seems to build their personalities these days, through gossip and fashion magazines.

Men aren't 'weird' or 'shit' or whatthefuckever, they're just men. Just like women are just women and surprisingly good at confusing and then hurting you when they want to and even sometimes when they don't intend to.

All of my best friends used to be girls and it's made me slightly more worldly-aware (and quite possibly, effeminate) and reluctant to criticise either gender in these sweeping fashions. I'm safe in the knowledge that for every confusing (and confused) girl, there's another who is significantly more compatible.


here here.


only once actually.

and i'm not saying 'men are shit' - just complaining outwardly about my confusion and misunderstanding of the way they think.

a lot of MY best friends used to be and are men, and i still don't get them most of the time.

we're all as bad as each other i suppose.


"we're all as bad as each other i suppose."

EXACTLY. So don't make such an issue out of it.


i'm not making an issue about 'how weird men/women are'

... it turned into that.

my initial post was about something else and wondering if i had done the right thing, and what other 'boys' thought about it.


it's only wrong

if you wanted to go home with him but felt like doing so would be wrong for reasons of promiscuity.

A man would have been much likely to think that, so if as a woman you do so then you're a victim of years of post-victorian oppression.

That line has worked for me precisely 0 times.


the line about the chloroform

usually does.


He he (nods at you)

He he


I really think it is a case by case thing

I've got some WONDERFUL guy friends who are smart, cool, funky chaps who are just lovely (my friends keep getting off with them, tho) and who really know how to treat ladies etc...

I've also gone out with some total players (some long term boyfriends) and well, they have turned out to be utterly full of themselves (gay, or unstable)...

I've also got girlfriends who treat guys like utter crap... and some girls who are really genuine and warm...

So can we stop the war of the sexes or there'll be no people left (what song was that from??)??!!!!!!!

Peace.


stop the war of the sexes?

dammit, i was just camo-ing up my face and cleaning my rifle.

This is going to sound like complete hypocrisy coming from me, but i hate the bullshit. I'd rather that people were just honest with each other, instead of constantly obfuscating their real emotions and 'playing the game'. perhaps then it wouldn't be so confusing.

Well, that's the attitude towards male/female relationships, dating etc that i'm aiming towards, anyway...


Yes, in my last relatioship it was 'GAME ON' from about four hours after meeting

and stayed that way for a lovely six months. It was nice meeting someone who was completely honest from day one about how they felt about me...

Game playing and power struggles are just awful, aren't they??


yes.

yes they are. definitely a sign of an unhealthy relationship.


You said it!


i love irony

it's my favourite thing at the moment. after wholemeal pitta and hummus.


The real stupid things here are

1.) Girls are offended if the gentleman doesn't try and sleep with them as early as possible.

2.) Most guys would rather you turned them down the first time (creates the impression that you're not easy and they are indeed a great guy)


In

many cases girls are probs only holding back cos they don't want to. Cos some boys are nice but some are untrustworthy nasties and the latter are good at pretending to be the former.


no

the most womany thing you can say is "I can't come out tonight, I'm washing my hair" and that also means that although the girl's been leading you around by your scrotum for 3 months, she's found out she doesn't really like your cynical charm, and that she'd rather sit in her room and do nothing/everything else than go somewhere fun with you.

*sigh*


aw!


to be honest foxy

if it's the sort of encounter where you 'go home with' someone, doesn't that mean you've just met them and are highly unlikely to go out with them afterwards anyway?

so if you fancy a shag, then go, and if you don't, then don't. simple as.

I reckon you're much more likely to find a successful relationship with a friend or a friend of a friend than a '''random''' pull.

I am being hideously naive due to my lack of experience (see 'pulling' thread) and also I might have misread the situation that you were describing. but that is what I think.


well it was our 'first date'

after we'd met - the first time we met we talked for ages so it wasn't 'just a pull in a club' so...


oh i see

sorry. it is indeed more of a dilemma now.


that's alright...

time will tell! :)


if all fails

just listen to Death Cab For Cutie, as all their songs are about similar things. ALL their songs.


when all else fails

listen to Death Cab.


hey

seems to work for like... Seth off the O.C. And me ^^


DCFC

always the way forward!


i'll probably go home and listen to some angry angry

music until he calls and then i'll listen to some pop.

yeah.


also

read www.questionablecontent.net as that is the story of the saddest love life anyone can have. You cannot possibly as bad off as the bloke in that. It's funny too!


I really don't like

questionable content. The way they all seem to say everything in dry, deeply ironic tones is symptomatic of all "intelligent" American web comics. Ooh, get us, we're disaffected and apathetic. Would it kill you to shout and dance and fuck every once in a while?


unless

we're talking about their latest album. Which wasn't as good/moany as Transatlanticism. the bloke's voice also kinda gets to me after five songs, especially on Plans. Still, though! DCFC ftw!


True

Transatlantism is beautiful!
I'm going to see them Tuesday!


me too

although it occurs to me that my tickets haven't turned up despite having had a dispatched notice. hmm.


Mine came yesterday!

But as usual - I wasn't there to sign for them!


yeah, god bless SMS huh?

i just rang them and they're delivering mine to work tomorrow.