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Leeds: Scene Report #1

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by James Meehan
Leeds. That bit that southerners like myself think lies somewhere between Birmingham and Manchester is allegedly the fastest growing city in Europe. Someone high up has decided that Leeds should be the capital of the north, and they have a good argument. Manchester is great. It's huge, it's got everything you could ever need and a world famous football team. But it is also a dirty, crowded, crime-ridden northern hell hole. Leeds is also a dirty, crowded, crime-ridden hell hole, but Leeds is changing. They are making it pretty, they’re cleaning up and rebuilding, worse, they’re making it fashionable!

When I moved to Leeds, I was assured it was the home of live music. If a graph were made of Live musical highlights it would have some huge peaks. We’ve got the Leeds Festival, The Who recorded one of their greatest albums “Live at Leeds” at one of our universities and The Music began life up here. On the downside Chumbawamba come from Leeds as does Chris Moyles, but hey, London had the plague and we forgave them.

THE BANDS
The music scene in Leeds focuses around the huge number of students we have in a compressed space. As such the majority of unsigned bands are indie, punk, ska punk, hardcore punk, old school punk, oi punk and pop punk. Whilst diversity may not be on the agenda just yet, there are a few gems out there that are well worth keeping an eye on.

Juxtaposition, comprised of two set of brothers from Otley just outside Leeds are meeting enthusiastic reviews everywhere they play and are surely on the way up.

The Dead Pets, a band I only recently stumbled across mix the ever popular genres of oldschool punk with upbeat ska. The thing that makes them stand out is that they do it so well. And so they should, they’ve been at it since 1992. You may already know the singer Sweeny Todd, since he was the punk guy conducting the orchestra on 'Faking It' over Christmas.

In the same vein, Mr. Dogg, Mr. Shiraz and Saving Lenny demonstrate the popularity of feelgood punk rock and ska. Mr. Shiraz in particular take the trophy of the day for being so like Less than Jake, and pulling it off.

THE VENUES
The key reason live music is so big in Leeds is the plethora of good venues. From the bottom we have the Royal Park Cellars, which houses many small student bands at least once a week. Slightly further up we have the Pack Horse and the Fenton which are both established gig-friendly pubs. Stepping it up a gear we have Joseph's Well which is where every band ever has played at least once. This chilled out pub has a large back room, and a great reputation for live music almost every night of the week including a weekly acoustic session every Sunday. Next up is The Cockpit. Three rooms and a decent capacity make for a great venue. Larger bands sell out easily making a great atmosphere. Smaller bands can fill most of it without it seeming dead. Good club nights too, though aimed predominantly at rock music. My personal favorite (‘cos I work there!) is Leeds Metropolitan University Student Union. With a 1600ish capacity and an expensive refit last year, this venue has hosted many of the biggest names in music over the last few years including Nirvana, Oasis, Feeder, and Andrew WK!

LIFE IN LEEDS
Away from the music, Leeds has a lot to offer shoppers and tourists alike. The Corn Exchange should excite all you alternative types with its bundle of skate, gothic and stoner shops. The city centre has all the usual high street stuff, as well as some bigger department stores. For a quiet drink, I’d recommend the Aire Bar, Citrus Café or Revolution. For the livelier types, try the courtyard, Bourbon or The FAB Café.

Essential Leeds links:

www.leedsmusicscene.co.uk - if it's music and it's in Leeds it’s here.

www.leedscityguide.com - all the up-and-coming attractions in the Leeds area.

www.leedsmusicfestival.co.uk - it's better than Reading 'cos we have riots then get the bus home!

www.thecockpit.co.uk - legendary venue under the arches.

www.josephswell.co.uk - great place for small bands to showcase their skills.

www.lmusu.org.uk - larger venue that stages many well known acts.



Live in Leeds

You've obviously not been to Manchester for a while...

Re: Live in Leeds

damn right. capital of the north by miles - kicks the collective arse of Leeds and Liverpool hands down.

Live in Leeds

I must admit, reading this, it sounds like a different place to the one I've lived in the last 20 years of my life...

Leeds Uni = a venue, and is way better than the met for its sound/capacity, or certainly feels it, although the bar situation isnt too hot, but then it isnt at the met either.

And the Corn Exchange is quite frankly bollocks if your not 15, called Harriet and want to rebel against your Mum and Dad by listening to Marilyn Manson. Jumbo and Polar Bear are where it's at.


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I think that's one of the amazing things about Leeds - there are just so many venues and so many scenes that you just couldn't get round them all in one article. The cops and robbers stuff, the Afro-Carribean stuff, the jazz, the elctronica - and loads of smaller and one-off venues. Leeds Music Scene lists over 400 Leeds-based artists and its gig guide often has as many as eight gigs for any one evening - mostly within walking distance of the city centre. Add Norman Records to the retail list as well - a truly amazing place with its own very cool Johnathan Whiskey label and a massive list of new issue reviews on the website. And the heroically good Wrath Records - something is really going on in Leeds. And there's nothign wrong with being 15 - you should try it sometime. I did. It was great.

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cheers sam. nice to see someone sticking up for my beautiful city. and yeah harriet teh marilyn manson fan down at teh corn exchange is annoying...but harriet is now opening her mind to music that isn't in the charts and as such is learning that good music isn't what you are told to listen to, its what you want to listen to!

Live in Leeds

That's really wicked but think about it.
It's nice that you'd like to believe all these wonderful things about Leeds being #2 to London and the city of the North (actually *is* Manchester, by the way)

Think about it. Properly. It'll take but 2 seconds.

A band plays 1 date in the UK.
London

A band plays 2 dates in the UK.
London, MANCHESTER

A band plays 3 dates in the UK.
London, MANCHESTER, Glasgow

where's Leeds?
and don't tell me that doesn't prove anything.
You know I'm right.
Everyone thinks they have the prettiest wife at home.

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And Leeds is actually more like in between Liverpool and Scarborough than between Birmingham and Manchester cos that would be Stoke

sorry

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Yeah but I think the point is that, overall, Leeds in nicer than Manchester. Plus, the fact that it's smaller means the music scene is closer-knit. I don't really think he was trying to start a Manchester vs Leeds arguement anyway, more point out what a great place Leeds is. And he's right!

Although, in all honesty, for touring bands I probably prefer gigs in Manchester 'cause the audiences seem always, without fail, to be up for dancing around and having fun and being silly. There're more stand-by-the-bar-and-watch types in Leeds. In my experience, anyway.

KPxx

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manchester is better than leeds because it has more venues, better venues, more people and is better geographicaly placed. you are right, bands play london, manc and glasgow. i seem to have caused some offense here! what i was getting at is that leeds as kp says is closer knit. and has the potential to grow, where as i feel manc is at its peak now?

and last time i went out in manchester some scallys through eggs and bottles at teh que outside a gig and when the police arrived they ran over one guys foot and then drove into the back of a burger van. which was a laff!

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manchester has more venues? surely it has 4 small venues, which is pretty poor for somewhere that size. especially given that they're all shit. N&D in particular.

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what you meant to say is that you've only ventured as far as to go to 4 small venues

I'm not telling you what to say or what you've done, it's just a nicer way of saying you're wrong

I could reel off a list of small venues but it might embarrass your quote of 4

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well, go on then ... i'd like to know.

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I imagine your 4 will have been...

Roadhouse
Hop & Grape
Band on the Wall
Night & Day

Jabez Clegg
The Red House
Star & Garter
Granby
ScuBar
Music Box
Life Cafe
Big Hands
Ritz
(Witchwood) but is in Ashton
(Palace) but is in Levenshulme

+ more that I can't remember
+ more that I haven't been to

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And of course Leeds doesn't have more venue than those listed, does it?

Oh wait, forgot:
The Wardrobe
The Hi-Fi Club
The George
The Bassment
City Varieties
Brudenell Social Club
The Grove
The Primrose
The Irish Centre
The New Roscoe
The West Indian Centre
Hard Rock Cafe (unfortunately)
Break For The Border

But hey, don't want to get picky. Personally I hate Manchester. That's why I have lived in Leeds for 8 years!

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my 4 were the night & day, the hop and grape, the roadhouse and the life café.
i excluded band on the wall cos it generally has awful jazz or world music on.
i'm not familiar with the red house. as far as i was aware, the star and garter is a crap pay to play place with no consistency in the quality of the acts. i've never been to the jabez clegg.
is the granby that pub on princess street?

surely they don't have gigs on at ScuBar? and isn't the Music Box just a club?
and they don't have gigs at Big Hands anymore, do they?


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"Leeds is nicer than Manchester"
that's funny

"I don't really think he was trying to start a Manchester vs Leeds arguement anyway"
yes he was and there's no way he can win either

Leeds is a scumhole
most places north of Watford are
there's no point trying to argue otherwise really
MCR's the best of the lot :op

but yeah MCR was at its peak a few years ago but like Leeds and a few other places in the North they're being revamped
I do believe a hell of a lot more funding has gone into Manchester than Leeds though

And Affleck's is so much better than the Corn Exchange
no competition there
they're both pretty scummy though

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Derby's better than them both :D

KPxx

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as if!
it's in the Midlands
are you Northern? are you Southern?
you just can't bloody decide

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tragically i'm from teh midlands too (notts). derby is horrible and very dark. good goth rock though.

mancs got loads of venues which are quite big compared to places in leeds (appollo, academy, MEN areana to name but three)

and i was born in the south but live in the north now, so i'm neither southern or nor northern. i'm great. and that is the end of the debate (and that rhymes so it must be right)

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No no its not! Derby's not horrible or dark. There're about 2 goth rock bands and a million and one others who're amazing. You obviously weren't looking in the right places!!! :)

KPxx

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Does it matter? You all sound like a bunch of nit picking WI women arguing over your favourite cake mix - go do something else!

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the amount of funding that has gone into the regeneration of manchester and leeds barely compares with the amount of money that's been wasted on pointless london based projects though, does it ?

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Yeah, but then again... Carling have more mid-sized venues up north than in London - and corporate sponsorship is probably the way the astoria is gonna go.

London is just a glorified shit hole, one big counsel estate lumped randomly together with roads that get you five miles an hour. All the arts money gets spent on things like royal festival hall so rich people can watch opera or crap like the jubilee for people who don't actually like music, to have a day in the pocket of the establishment. Lamacq does occasional showcases for Sony at the Borderline - i mean, thats fuckin good use of tax payers money innit?

The whole country has it wrong. The indie scene is the worst tho, the idea of making any kind of money to sustain anything worthwhile is frowned upon. People don't respect anything. People make a fuss when something is taken away from them, but not whilst it happens. Everyones got such a bland, boring, self-important view of the world and it makes me puke my rations.

God bless Nebraska.

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i feel so proud that my debut article has caused such debate and outrage.

i have two other items up that you could all argue about...

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Nottingham's beats Manchester to gigs these days anyway. So ner.

Pretty much the same if you ask me...

I live in Leeds, go out in Manchester sometimes and get the same vibe from both places, except in Leeds everything is closer together and the accent is nicer. And the beer is cheaper. And there are less bands trying to be the Stone Roses. Afflecks does kick the corn exchanges arse though. But Joes Well and the cockpit are the two best venues ever, great atmosphere.

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saying that is just no fun

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but it's true. i have better things to do than think of interesting things to say to people i don't know. how boring was THAT?

Hmm

No offense, but that has to be one of the most one dimensional desciption / comments on the Leeds Music Scene I've ever heard.
It's about the Leeds ska/punk scene and a mention of Juxtaposition. Nice

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It' THE FIRST REPORT i.e. #1... more of the different scenes will follow. In time. But first for more cities......

Good, but...

Ok, very good article for what it was about, but as already mentioned, i feel that the huge scope of the city's music scene has being completely missed out and only one type of music really mentioned.

there is a huge metal contingent in Leeds too - a whole breeding of underground bands (see www.rawnervepromotions.co.uk for proof!). then there's a lot of very talented rock & pop bands - Four Day Hombre, Brody, A Day Left, Catylyst, Downfall to name a few obvious ones. there's the punk/ska bands you mentioned - but not even scratching the surface with all that.

Dr. Woo's showcases some amazing talent on a Saturday afternoon and Tuesday evening, all sorts of acoustic and nearly acoustic acts, frequented by the innovative and immensley talented Jon Gomm. There is of course the Naked bar Guitar acoustic night at Joseph's Well.

There's a whole host of electronica, dance projects that frequently play live as well as securing great accolades such as writing for film soundtracks and tv adverts - speaking of which, the Scaramanga Six are featured on a great Clothes advert and they're not mentioned either (along with the whole Wrath movement). There's the much talked about Bluefoot Project who fall under no category mentioned so far as such, and love em or hate 'em, no one can deny the national recognition the much hyped Les Flames! have had. The DIY scene? well that's a few hundred different bands on top of it all.

Maybe people from Manchester will think Leeds is a "scumhole" with little to offer after the tunnelvision of that particular article. I for one know both scenes very well, and will quite happily state Leeds as the friendliest. There's no silly rules about when you can play, there's virtually no pay to play, venues such as the Royal Park will make an effort to bring in bands from all over the country and make sure they are treated well AND paid - plus, there's less attitude and a good, positive feeling.

Venues still not mentioned:

The Fenton
The Packhorse
Dr. Woo's
Carpe Diem
The Bassment
Duck & Drake
New Roscoe (? was it mentioned?)

if we're talking outskirts too!

Woodkirk Valley
White Stag
Highwood Pub
just to name a couple!

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I think that was why it's called "Leeds: Scene Report #1" because there may be a #2, #3, etc. In fact, your reply makes a good follow up #2. I don't get all the Manchester is better than Leeds negativity that followed, bit pointless really, who cares. I'd like to close by saying that Raz has gone down in my estimations now for trying to start some silly little "manc/leeds" playtime fight by having a "we're better than you" hissy fit... give it a break, no one cares. Well, not me. Manchester is ace. Leeds is ace.

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and the Scaramanga Six are really nice people and a good band to boot. As long as you don't boot em too hard. I interviewed em once and they complained about the lack of audience heckling they got. Ace. Although in fairness, they're from Huddersfield I think.

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They are from Huddersfield (technically) but Leeds is their adopted home, and they've done a hell of a lot for music in Leeds. They are also responsible for a Leeds-based record label too, Wrath Records, and the national press the band and the rest of the acts on their label are getting is phenominal. In fact, only NME seem to be "not getting it"...

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I'll be sure to heckle them at the DiS gig next month then.
(And we got Les Flames! this month.)

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"one type of music really mentioned?" - You probably haven't heard Juxtaposition then. Even on their own they don't play "one kind of music". But alongside Mr Shiraz is starts to look a bit like eclecticism gone mad. The variety is the thing though - you're spot on there.

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ok, so i'm pissed and just got dissed by a great girl (ever felt "never felt "don't let teh door hit your ass" harder) but here's the shit. i go to gigs. i like bands., i try to go to a lot of gigs but i only pay to see gigs i know i'll like (i don't get a student loan every three months i have to work hard for my pennies)(thats not a rant aginst students so don't even start). i'm aware i missed a lot of bands off. i'm sorry. it wont happen again... but only if people tell me stuff. its my first article for DiS for heavens sake! tell me what bands to see, and where and when to see them. then i will go and witness what you think is important in leeds. me, i like juxtaposition and ska punk. thats my taste. if you don't like that open your eyes. the 'pets are one of my favourite leeds bands and of the hundreds of bands i've seen in leeds, they're gig was my favourite. you can't argue with an opinion. if you know a better band then please tell me (thats not sarcasm kids, its a sincere request) tell me where good music is. no toss. i want the best. not bands who have potential. not bands who sound ok, but hidden bands who are THE hot stuff. tell me, i'll go, i'll natter to them and make my own judgements. i might even bring a friend to boost their crowds.

here's how it works kids. don't bitch, better!

if you don't like my article, tell me how to improve it... go on, i dare you. email me band names and dates!

jimmy

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cool, this is all positive.

the bit i was getting at is: "the majority of unsigned bands are indie, punk, ska punk, hardcore punk, old school punk, oi punk and pop punk"

and all i was doing is pointing out how far off the mark that is, not in a nasty way though. the word punk is used in all of those words apart from indie, and i don't think there's THAT many indie bands about around Leeds, certainly out numbered by the number of young metal bands (although noting that quantity does not always provide quality).

but yes, Mr Shiraz, Dead Pets and Mr Dogg (the latter being the better end of the punk side in my opinion) do have good followings - however, go to the next Leeds gig featuring many of the Wrath bands (Galitza, Scaramanga's et all) or Catylyst (7th June?) or Brody (1st of November i read in the evening post?), and you are more than likely to find a very busy venue with a genuine "event" happening, rather than just another "gig" - and the word punk isn't really associated with any of those bands. Four Day Hombre always pack the venues too.

and even now, i'm limiting my thoughts to a quite tight bracket of music available in Leeds - just pointing out that it's not just "punk" around these parts!

check out these bands anyway i've mentioned. i got the website off www.leedsmusicscene.co.uk (just check the front page of that site and see how many styles of music are mentioned - at a quick look we have: alternative metal, acoustic, hip hop, industrial, grunge, rock, electronic ambient etc.)

Wrath - www.wrathrecords.co.uk
Brody - www.brodyweb.co.uk
Four Day Hombre - www.fourdayhombre.co.uk
Catylyst - www.catylyst.com

hope this helps.

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and just doing this off the top of my head, and this makes me realise just how huge leeds is, i forgot about Capital State!

they pull ridiculously big crowds all the time and are a big hybrid of lots of music! must be one of the bigger bands in Leeds and are completely out of a musical bracket at the moment.

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thanks, i shall have to check some of those out.

i'm to sure about the metal thing its all a bit scary (especialy when they growl (whats that all about?)) but i like to think i'm open minded so i'll check stuff out.

unfortunately, nearly every band i've seen recently has been irritating designer indie or oasis rip offs. and as such i tend to only go to gigs recommended by friends when i don't know anything about the bands.

anyway, sorry about the rant, it was a rough night, see you in the pit?

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Definately check all those bands out (specially Brody ;o) )... although i'd not really class any of them as metal, especially not four day hombre! The metal scene in leeds is pretty good, but there's a lot of bad bands about within it. I think the contingent of proper rock bands in leeds has more quality at the mo! but i agree, too many poncey "toni & guy haircuts" type bands around at the moment...

But yeah, Brody play at Joseph's Well on November 1st... it's the night of our new EP release so come along!!

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how come no-one has mentioned Colour of Fire?
And aren't And None of Them Knew They Were Robots from Leeds?
And Kill Yourself?
Or do those bands just play leeds a lot?

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i thought they were from York..?

ergh. confusion strikes.

x
gen

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colour of fire i believe are from york - awesome band who i assume have a good following in Leeds from what i've heard? i don't know if they have relocated to Leeds now, but i know they started life off in York

and none of them knew they were robots are another example of another genre - the post hardcore sort of stuff. then if you think about them and how a few members are in Send more Paramedics who are on In at The Deep End Records along with many other Leeds bands, and you have a whole other set of bands right there. the size and scope of music on offer in this city is pretty remarkable.

examples of the wide range of gigs this weekend:

FRIDAY 16th MAY

CITY VARIETIES: Midge Ure
COCKPIT: Mogwai + Kling Klang
FENTON: Action Directe + Zeitgeist Zero (industrial noise if you didn't know!)
JOSEPHS WELL: Instruction + Colour Of Fire + Her Alibi (post hardcore/pop/rock.. whatever it can be called)
JUG & BARREL: Ben Walker
PACKHORSE: Three Left Feet + Ham + The Von Rectumstien Coalition
ROYAL PARK: Bodixa + Lucky Luciano + Buen Chico (pop.rock.quirky)
WARDROBE: Chunky Butt Funky
WOODKIRK VALLEY: Innocent OJs + Kram (punk)

SATURDAY 17th MAY

COCKPIT: Flogging Molly + Mr Shiraz (punk)
DR WU's (3pm): Love Panda + Tim Arber
JOSEPHS WELL: Incubus Sukubus (goth metal)
JUG & BARREL: The Raindogs
PRIMROSE: 10,000 Things + Codex + The Soundwaves + Deepwater + Invention of Hands + Randomiser + Babaganoush - (ridiculously varied bill!!)
ROYAL PARK: Being 747 + sammyUSA

SUNDAY 18th MAY

COCKPIT: Hot Water Music + Joe Ninety + Buzzkill + Leif Ericsson
GROVE: Hot Pot Belly Band + Blues Donor
HIFI CLUB: Today’s Mathematics
JOSEPHS WELL: British Sea Power + Mower + The Black Helicopters + The Dave Bakewell Plot
NEW ROSCOE (lunch/eve): Novaman / Wayne Hussey

and so on! i haven't time to categorise ever gig as i need some sleep - if anyone else would care to, but i guess you get the idea.

your article has done a lot of good, as you said yourself, you are now aware of a little bit more that's going off in Leeds and so are others!