Can I just say - as someone in the Film Industry - that it is impossible to pin-point the best ever film. Much like the thread asking for the best ever band. People are only ever going to say their favourites, as there are so many outstanding films in each and every genre.
However, I believe that there are a number of films which changed the way we produce and watch cinema. Citizen Kane (obviously) along with numerous other films by the King of Cinema, Orson Welles, and we can thank Tom Tywker for bringing Art House to main stream cinemas and allowing the general public to see just how beautiful cinematography can be.
Yeah - and thats not even scratching the surface. I didn't think you would like an hour long tutorial on Film Makers Through Time or some-such.
To be honest, I haven't really seen that many films in relative terms. I liked "The Godfather" a lot - flawless acting, beautifully filmed, powerfully iconic in places. I also liked "Apocalypse Now" because the sound and cinematography are both very, very nice. In tems of more recent films, I really enjoyed "American Beauty"; it's very nicely scripted, its sense of narrative is fantastic and, again, the acting is superb.
I'd love to see Citizen Kane in its entirety - like many people I've seen the famous bits and their many, many parodies more times than I can probably recall. By all accounts Welles was a true visionary who pretty much created an incredibly big something out of what was basically nothing...
Sam Mendes and Conrad Hall has an amzing vision and they just bought it to life with the most beautiful cinematography and imagery. Conrad Hall is possibly the best cinematographer of the modern era of cinema. He saw things so precisley in his mind and brought it to our screen. Even the sublest of compromise were not acceptable to this man. I give him a standing ovation any day of the week ending in y.
And Kevin Spacey is my absolute all time favourite actor. He is an absolute genius and bring new depth to every character he has ever played.
Citizen Kane may be Welles' most famous film, but it certainly isn't his only brilliant film. Check him out. He broke all the boundaries of film making - and was a revolutionary.
Plus when you throw in when he made his films - starting the 40s - it's just incredible what he achieved with the very limited technology he had at hand.
Uhhh I knew some1 was gonna say return of the King. It was a good movie and all but it was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overrated.
Gigli? What's Gigli? How could that b my farorite if i don't even know wut it is. Anyways... here r my ten favorITS!
1. Donnie Darko
2. The Royal Tenenbaums
3. Dumb and Dumber
4. Orange County
5. The Nightmare Before Christmas
6. O Brother Where Art Though
7. Signs
8. Shrek
9. Once Upon a Time in Mexico
10. Pirates of the Carribean: Curse of the Black Pearl
the director's cut...it's longer than the original but it's amazing. There's loads of bits that are missed out in the normal version that help with the true understanding of the film. Makes it far more enjoyable to watch!
yeh def, good call on Donnie Darko, I'm not that into films, but when I see a good one it makes me want to be. At the moment I've been watching City Of God quite a lot. Thats great even though about everyone dies. I guess they could help that cuz its a true story. I love how the colours change in diferent bits
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i guess you can have a favourite film of each genre but to compare an artistic well acted film with for instance a monty python movie is like comparing mozhart and nirvana (ie completely pointless.) but that doesn't make either worse or better than the other.
my favourite of all time is possibly 'fearing and loathing in las vegas,' which has screenplay (or is directed by?) by the dude who made the cartoons in monty python, i cant believe no one has said star wars yet, which changed the blockbuster genre so much (for better or worse.) there's far too many movies to single out one movie that stands out from the rest, as most movies are trying to potray events/emotions in different ways (and if its not then its not a good movie) and trying to be original.
in my opinion any movie that trys to be original (either in the directorial sense or acting sense) should be praised.
Anything with Jack Nicholson in is normally worth watching.
Anything with johnny depp in is normally worth watching
i watch loads of movies good and bad and even the 'bad' one have some plus points. but there are far too many good films and excellent films that i cant really differienciate or compare, and its pointless to list them all
oh and just out of curiousity does anyone like 'the long good friday' ? because i didnt think that was a very good film, it used the same music all the way through so much so that it annoyed me and there was a lack of any meaniful dialogue or action which pushed the film forwards? and the violence just seemed pointless as if to say 'oh look its violent come watch it' The godfather is a far better gangster film, and there are much better films from the same era.
also 'taxi driver' isnt that good, yes it has great suspense, but critics always go on about it being controversial, i just thought it was boring for want of a better word. apart from 2 scenes and a few 'f words' it perhaps could have been a 12. oh great its 'controversial' at the end when travis gets shot/shoots a few times. one or two controversial scenes don't make a movie, ok de niro acts well because i was gripped by him even though he doesnt say much, but that doesn't make up for the boring script.
violence i think should be used to push the characters and the story forwards. rather than just put in for effect.
It would take too long to go through all the ones I love, but I think my clear favourite film ever would have to be Stand By Me, the best film ever made about growing up and one that I'll always be able to relate to. It's beautifully filmed and scripted and has some astonishing performances from the four young lead actors. I know I'm soft but it's a real tearjerker, especially the last scene (I won't spoil it for you since it wouldn't make sense anyway unless you've seen the rest of the film). There's some totally hilarious parts too. You gotta see it, especially if you're still young :)
its great how you can tell so much about someone you never have or ever will meet just by what their favourite film is. mines one flew over the cuckoo's nest, just perfect in every sense, a really powerful film that maintains a jet black comedy edge to it. fantastic
Gosh, I haven't thought of one flew over the cuckoo's nest in a long time. That IS a good movie. But somehow the end scene disappointed me, a very cheesy ending.
It's a remake of the Incredible Journey, only this time the animals can talk. It's heart-rending, funny, beautifully shot, and tremendously acted. By the animals, especially.
im no film buff or anything and i dont want to come across as prentious (oh, who am i kidding?!) but Tetsuo is pretty special. maybe i just like films that make no sense or maybe its just because it so twisted and weird. i dont know! its a great piece of cinematography.
as for films that are slightly more 'mainstream', im a sucker for the classics...2001 space odessey and apocolypse now. both brilliant filmed. also koynasquatssi (sorry 'bout the spelling).
I just watched Metropolis and now I feel like I'm having a stroke. That's the mark of a good film :D
But yes, I'd recommend it highly if you're into anime thought-provoking stroke inducing philosophical sci-fi strangeness. Or if you're really really stoned.
Casablanca, is still a great movie, my own private idaho is also great ( if gus van sant wasn't a middle-aged man i wolud have proposed by now). Hell loads of films rule Repo Man, Assault on precinct 13 (btw hopefully they weill do a decent remake finally). Also i thought LOTR, was good, didn't mess up much loved book etc.
It was not only the most beautifully filmed movie, but the story line was creative, intriguing and original.
Then add in the fact that it was made in an era where cinema was still only a toddler. When camera weighed the same as a mini-van and were about as easy to use as pink-leopard print leggings are to wear in public...
Citizen Kane and Orson Welles broke al boudaries of film. Clearly you have no idea what are talking about.
i'm doing film studies! no really. i had to sit through it in the cinema, where are all the colours? ps. although irrelevent; orson welles has the worst irish accent ever on film (The Lady from Shanghai).
Whilst you are watching it you totally forget about reality. You are transported into that film.
Same with Battleship Potemkin.
And you're right. When the credits roll and you are dumped back into reality with a crashing thud, you know that you have witnessed something made by someone who truly understands and appreciates the power and beauty that is cinema...
i dont really have a favourite film but i really like kill bill! its brilliant! i quite liked ghost world and dirty pretty things and of course lord of the rings (all 3) but nothing will ever be able to compare to the book on that one no matter how good the films are.
ezra, as someone int he film industry, u must have seen Un Chein Andalou? fuck me, thats some crazy shit, but i had a strange impulse to watch it over and over again.
mine would have to be the (clichéd) Citizen Kane and Withnail and I. I know the song from CK, and Withnail and I is just bliss.
Waves, as someone in the film industry - I've probably seen more films than days I've lived on this Earth - so you're absolutely right! ;o)
Another completely wacked film that may grab your attention is "Delicatessen" Give that a whirl and try and tell me thats not some fucked up shit that you just have to watch over and over again. ;o)
ArtHouse is an amazing genre and it allows film makers to film beautiful images without having to justify it their choices - they can just say "It's Art House"
Now, I know, as a film maker, I'm not suppose to say stuff like that, but it's true. We can go out and film beauty in beautiful ways and simply put it in the genre "Art House" without people questioning us. It's brilliant. And I think thats what the creators of Delicatessen and the like where doing. There is some beautiful imagery in Delicatessen and some really imaginative construction and lay out of shots.
I'm also drawn to what you call art house films (though I dare say I like that phase) , such directers as Werner Herzog, Bela Tarr, Takeshi Kitano are personal favourites. They have a certain visaul intensity that I find hugely intriguing.
theres often alot of good use of music in art house as well from what ive seen anyway. (although i dont watch alot of art house)
ive never seen delicatessen i shall do my best to try see it soon.
mullholland drive is a crazy film, at least the last 20 or so minutes. its as if he wrote most of it soberish (david lynch) then decided not to finish the ending but take some magic mushrooms and write a script for whatever came in his head (using the same characters). also his books are a bit nuts.
i completely forgot to mention that earlier, as did i forget to mention another of my all time favourite films - the usual suspects. one of only a handful of films that at the end i thought wow i wanna watch it again to see how wonderfully the film/director/actors gripped you and fooled you.
memento is pretty cool also but for some reason the real way round version (the secret on the dvd) confused me more than the wrong way/backwards version.
Amazingly you mention two of my more favourite films.
As previously mentioned, Kevin Spacey is my favourite actor, and as a film maker it is my dream to create a film with him in the lead role. He is such a dynamic actor with so much talent and passion for what he does.
And Momento is such an original idea (which is rare these days, lets face it!) and they pulled it off successfully. I can imagine how badly it could have turned out. Well Done! :o)
i didnt like spacey in the negotiator, in some films he just seems a bit lazy. (probably because he does so many hes bound to not be very good in some)
once upon a time in america is an awesome film, its 220 mins long (3hours40mins) and at no point did i feel bored by the storyline or the action,every scene seemed essential.
the script was sharp, witty and topical. i reckon its deniros finest work.
the man who wasn't there is not very good, the storyline is linear/uneventful and drags, it had a lot of potential. but it didnt work, i didnt relate to any of the characters and the twist (i suppose) at the end was surprising but unemotiona and it made me laugh at the cheeseyness. by the end of it i was getting really annoyed with b-bt's monolouges. it was a nice attempt at trying something different but it just didnt work. (for me anyway)
It has nothing to do with 'a man who wasnt there,' so the title is really misleading. (i thought he was a barber, cutting peoples hair hearing loads of stuff whilst cutting peoples hair, then using it against them in blackmail form) but no it has nothing to do with him hearing stuff inadvertinely. he blackmails one person at more or less the start of the film (nothing to do with him being a barber) then the next 100 mins is just dragged out pish.
Ezra- never have I heard such crap- are you a runner?! are you a tea boy? Probably just at college -cos you haven't got a clue about the industry you claim to work in!
Whats all this art house genre crap and lack of questioning?! Tell that to the studio/ funding bodies when they want to know where there millions are going?!
You have clearly never been any where near a decision making process in the industry and I seriously doubt you've been nowhere near a set other than maybe a trip to Universal studios when you were 9....
so best movie ever- in no particular order
Brazil
Star Wars (the original)
Casablanca
Big Lebowski
Cinema Paridiso
I possibly work in the most difficult of countries to get funding - so please don't attempt to insult me by saying I've not got a clue about the industry I work in.
I've made 13 short films, and have had to pitch to different funding bodies. And no - I don't find it easy - but show me a film maker who does and I'll show you a liar.
Plus - I'm primarily a cinematographer. I get my msot enjoyment out fo that. I don't enjoy producing, and I'm not goign to pretend I do. So - a lot of decisions are made for me, or are a joint decision. Between me and the director. But what am I saying -you'd already know that - right? You - being the expert. *nods* I don't need to tell you.
Shawshank Redemption, The Godfatherm Reservoir Dogs, The Green Mile, One Hour Photo, Good Will Hunting and Donnie Darko...i started with Shawshank then loads popped into my head :)
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However, I believe that there are a number of films which changed the way we produce and watch cinema. Citizen Kane (obviously) along with numerous other films by the King of Cinema, Orson Welles, and we can thank Tom Tywker for bringing Art House to main stream cinemas and allowing the general public to see just how beautiful cinematography can be.
Yeah - and thats not even scratching the surface. I didn't think you would like an hour long tutorial on Film Makers Through Time or some-such.
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I'd love to see Citizen Kane in its entirety - like many people I've seen the famous bits and their many, many parodies more times than I can probably recall. By all accounts Welles was a true visionary who pretty much created an incredibly big something out of what was basically nothing...
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Sam Mendes and Conrad Hall has an amzing vision and they just bought it to life with the most beautiful cinematography and imagery. Conrad Hall is possibly the best cinematographer of the modern era of cinema. He saw things so precisley in his mind and brought it to our screen. Even the sublest of compromise were not acceptable to this man. I give him a standing ovation any day of the week ending in y.
And Kevin Spacey is my absolute all time favourite actor. He is an absolute genius and bring new depth to every character he has ever played.
Citizen Kane may be Welles' most famous film, but it certainly isn't his only brilliant film. Check him out. He broke all the boundaries of film making - and was a revolutionary.
Plus when you throw in when he made his films - starting the 40s - it's just incredible what he achieved with the very limited technology he had at hand.
Again - a standing ovation any day ending in y.
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Nobodys said my film yet
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1. Donnie Darko
2. The Royal Tenenbaums
3. Dumb and Dumber
4. Orange County
5. The Nightmare Before Christmas
6. O Brother Where Art Though
7. Signs
8. Shrek
9. Once Upon a Time in Mexico
10. Pirates of the Carribean: Curse of the Black Pearl
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you should watch
the director's cut...it's longer than the original but it's amazing. There's loads of bits that are missed out in the normal version that help with the true understanding of the film. Makes it far more enjoyable to watch!
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i guess you can have a favourite film of each genre but to compare an artistic well acted film with for instance a monty python movie is like comparing mozhart and nirvana (ie completely pointless.) but that doesn't make either worse or better than the other.
my favourite of all time is possibly 'fearing and loathing in las vegas,' which has screenplay (or is directed by?) by the dude who made the cartoons in monty python, i cant believe no one has said star wars yet, which changed the blockbuster genre so much (for better or worse.) there's far too many movies to single out one movie that stands out from the rest, as most movies are trying to potray events/emotions in different ways (and if its not then its not a good movie) and trying to be original.
in my opinion any movie that trys to be original (either in the directorial sense or acting sense) should be praised.
Anything with Jack Nicholson in is normally worth watching.
Anything with johnny depp in is normally worth watching
i watch loads of movies good and bad and even the 'bad' one have some plus points. but there are far too many good films and excellent films that i cant really differienciate or compare, and its pointless to list them all
oh and just out of curiousity does anyone like 'the long good friday' ? because i didnt think that was a very good film, it used the same music all the way through so much so that it annoyed me and there was a lack of any meaniful dialogue or action which pushed the film forwards? and the violence just seemed pointless as if to say 'oh look its violent come watch it' The godfather is a far better gangster film, and there are much better films from the same era.
also 'taxi driver' isnt that good, yes it has great suspense, but critics always go on about it being controversial, i just thought it was boring for want of a better word. apart from 2 scenes and a few 'f words' it perhaps could have been a 12. oh great its 'controversial' at the end when travis gets shot/shoots a few times. one or two controversial scenes don't make a movie, ok de niro acts well because i was gripped by him even though he doesnt say much, but that doesn't make up for the boring script.
violence i think should be used to push the characters and the story forwards. rather than just put in for effect.
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Or are you in this coverted and angst-riddled industry, too?
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It's a remake of the Incredible Journey, only this time the animals can talk. It's heart-rending, funny, beautifully shot, and tremendously acted. By the animals, especially.
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as for films that are slightly more 'mainstream', im a sucker for the classics...2001 space odessey and apocolypse now. both brilliant filmed. also koynasquatssi (sorry 'bout the spelling).
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sort of like grungy-geeky-slacker-reality-tv
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But yes, I'd recommend it highly if you're into anime thought-provoking stroke inducing philosophical sci-fi strangeness. Or if you're really really stoned.
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It was not only the most beautifully filmed movie, but the story line was creative, intriguing and original.
Then add in the fact that it was made in an era where cinema was still only a toddler. When camera weighed the same as a mini-van and were about as easy to use as pink-leopard print leggings are to wear in public...
Citizen Kane and Orson Welles broke al boudaries of film. Clearly you have no idea what are talking about.
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colours?
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Whilst you are watching it you totally forget about reality. You are transported into that film.
Same with Battleship Potemkin.
And you're right. When the credits roll and you are dumped back into reality with a crashing thud, you know that you have witnessed something made by someone who truly understands and appreciates the power and beauty that is cinema...
(Man - this is my favourite topic!!!!!!!!)
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Sorry.
But forcing students to watch them is not nice.
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However, I do realise that they are not for everyone...
Especially the violence in Battleship Potempkin...
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mine would have to be the (clichéd) Citizen Kane and Withnail and I. I know the song from CK, and Withnail and I is just bliss.
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Another completely wacked film that may grab your attention is "Delicatessen" Give that a whirl and try and tell me thats not some fucked up shit that you just have to watch over and over again. ;o)
ArtHouse is an amazing genre and it allows film makers to film beautiful images without having to justify it their choices - they can just say "It's Art House"
Now, I know, as a film maker, I'm not suppose to say stuff like that, but it's true. We can go out and film beauty in beautiful ways and simply put it in the genre "Art House" without people questioning us. It's brilliant. And I think thats what the creators of Delicatessen and the like where doing. There is some beautiful imagery in Delicatessen and some really imaginative construction and lay out of shots.
Anyway - let me know what you think....
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but i'm still going to say spinal tap and clerks because they make me chuckle like no other.
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ive never seen delicatessen i shall do my best to try see it soon.
mullholland drive is a crazy film, at least the last 20 or so minutes. its as if he wrote most of it soberish (david lynch) then decided not to finish the ending but take some magic mushrooms and write a script for whatever came in his head (using the same characters). also his books are a bit nuts.
i completely forgot to mention that earlier, as did i forget to mention another of my all time favourite films - the usual suspects. one of only a handful of films that at the end i thought wow i wanna watch it again to see how wonderfully the film/director/actors gripped you and fooled you.
memento is pretty cool also but for some reason the real way round version (the secret on the dvd) confused me more than the wrong way/backwards version.
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As previously mentioned, Kevin Spacey is my favourite actor, and as a film maker it is my dream to create a film with him in the lead role. He is such a dynamic actor with so much talent and passion for what he does.
And Momento is such an original idea (which is rare these days, lets face it!) and they pulled it off successfully. I can imagine how badly it could have turned out. Well Done! :o)
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once upon a time in america is an awesome film, its 220 mins long (3hours40mins) and at no point did i feel bored by the storyline or the action,every scene seemed essential.
the script was sharp, witty and topical. i reckon its deniros finest work.
the man who wasn't there is not very good, the storyline is linear/uneventful and drags, it had a lot of potential. but it didnt work, i didnt relate to any of the characters and the twist (i suppose) at the end was surprising but unemotiona and it made me laugh at the cheeseyness. by the end of it i was getting really annoyed with b-bt's monolouges. it was a nice attempt at trying something different but it just didnt work. (for me anyway)
It has nothing to do with 'a man who wasnt there,' so the title is really misleading. (i thought he was a barber, cutting peoples hair hearing loads of stuff whilst cutting peoples hair, then using it against them in blackmail form) but no it has nothing to do with him hearing stuff inadvertinely. he blackmails one person at more or less the start of the film (nothing to do with him being a barber) then the next 100 mins is just dragged out pish.
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Whats all this art house genre crap and lack of questioning?! Tell that to the studio/ funding bodies when they want to know where there millions are going?!
You have clearly never been any where near a decision making process in the industry and I seriously doubt you've been nowhere near a set other than maybe a trip to Universal studios when you were 9....
so best movie ever- in no particular order
Brazil
Star Wars (the original)
Casablanca
Big Lebowski
Cinema Paridiso
this list could change at anytime....
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I possibly work in the most difficult of countries to get funding - so please don't attempt to insult me by saying I've not got a clue about the industry I work in.
I've made 13 short films, and have had to pitch to different funding bodies. And no - I don't find it easy - but show me a film maker who does and I'll show you a liar.
Plus - I'm primarily a cinematographer. I get my msot enjoyment out fo that. I don't enjoy producing, and I'm not goign to pretend I do. So - a lot of decisions are made for me, or are a joint decision. Between me and the director. But what am I saying -you'd already know that - right? You - being the expert. *nods* I don't need to tell you.
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