It really wasn't a good read. The first couple of issues were *ok* but after that it was shite.

Can someone please enlighten me as to why the Gloom brothers stopped their involvement with it? Their old magazine Circuit was ace.

Not forever. Mark my words...

Wasn't Careless Talk born to end? (To quote the Manics...)

I seem to recall it started at issue 12 and was counting down to zero, at which point they hoped to have destroyed the mainstream music press. In which case, um, you got Bang. D'oh.

I thought the gag with CTCL was that it always had a strictly limited run of issues; that was why they counted their issue number backwards, therefore number 1 was the last issue.

You haven't heard of a band - so they're shit? At least another e-zine bothered to review the Strange Fruit Festival.

hahaha... that's pretty much the only remotely funny post i've seen on these boards. ever. well, it wasnt that funny. but i like making fun of internet-indie-snobness. good work.

It is at the moment.

With it's fucking masks and darkness wrapping paper.

Next week, there is a free pack of Love Hearts!

it's weird, cus all the stuff i heard about bang whence i was scribing bits for it, had nothing to do with gender and they had a fair idea that it wasn't all about boys and there were lots of things done to make it appealing to both sexes.

i thought bang was aimed more at the 20-30 year old market, what with all the polyphonics, flaming lips and dead fashion type stuff. had they gone for that instead of being confused i think the mag coulda been kept afloat. it needed more kulkani and to have got ben myers on board and focussed much more on predicting, rather than chasing things that were there (or at least had videos and marketing budgets). they just weren't prepared/allowed to take risks and just like the problem with the music industry where bands get signed too early and dropped before they've had chance to develop and cultivate a fanbase, let alone get as far as that all important fifth album was a concept about balloons.

it's little wonder things are in such a sorry state. so much great music, so many idiots... why did dido sell so many records? it's the deariest (sp?), dullest pap i've ever had the misfortune to hear pumping outta dorothy perkins. it's all because of the outlets (or rather the lack of) and the media's focus problems and the fact just like a&r, everyone wants to know what everyone else thinks and no-one really has an opinion of gut instict they believe in.

where are the weirdos taking ridiculous risks? it worked for the KLF...

about the same, poss a few more. NME have been getting back to intelligent music writing since the relaunch so...

There are fuckloads at NME. I counted about 60 computers in their office when I was being nosy. Not sure how many of them are fulltime.