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Can there be a 15 year old Critic?

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by gotthrice
Everyone one has dreams, don't get me wrong. Even when you are as young as hopeless_states. But because you are young, that doesn't mean you are experienced in all music. So what makes u thing you can be an automatic critic on a site where you can't look into the faces of those you talk shit to?
gotthrice | 13 May '04, 23:24 | Send note | Report this | Reply

Re: Can there be a 15 year old Critic?

In answer to your question, "yes". Reviews are *just* someone's opinion. It's the way they see it, from their point of view. For all you know, a 15 year old could know more about music than you, Gotthrice. Judge someone's worthiness as a critic on their opinions, knowledge and intelligence, not their age. Facist.

Re: Can there be a 15 year old Critic?

Emma Forrest was writing for NME and the Sunday Times when she was 15. or perhaps 16.
Age don't matter, you can be a critic any age. Being a GOOD critic, and being able to write excitingly (v different from "excitedly" mind you), is another matter. Emma used to write great stuff from what I remember when I was little, though I've not read much she's done in the last 5 or 6 years now she's big'n'famous like. (Though I was told from someone there, she'd oft end up having to have half her Generation X column in the ST re-written as it was rubbish & boring, but she was dead nice when I met her years back so bleh..)

you CAN be hella experienced in music age 15/6 though and loads of knowledge, why not? Just depends what exposure you get/find, how actively you hunt it out, etc... No decent music press doesn't help, mind you, when the furthest back a musical reference an NME hack can muster (if they don't sound like the oldband du jour - television, moz, mc5, etc etc snore) is usually Muse or something. Or is that bands' own laziness?......

Re: Can there be a 15 year old Critic?

It all depends on who the 15 year old is, and if they are indeed musically educated or not.

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bollocks. all youngsters are morons. everyone under the age of 25 in this country should be taken out into the street and shot.

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fuckin student

Re: Can there be a 15 year old Critic?

Of course they can be a critic. If age mattered then the best critics would be 70 years old. A critic is simply a purveyor of personal opinion, not a person who makes the official and undeniable decision that something is good or bad.

Re: Can there be a 15 year old Critic?

All critics were 15 once too.

We're still not sure how it happened.

Enigmatic is overreacting a bit. That would include some very good bands.

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Hmmm. Critic is a terrible word really, it kind of implies a certain pre-ordained cynicism.

Everyone is a critic as many a cliche will testify to. I don't think it matters what age you are. Everyone has an opinion whether informed or not. What i can't stand is the uber trendier than thou fascists who shove their opinions down your throat and believe that they are on the one true path to musical enlightenment and like nothing more than to tell you so. Fuck that sheeeeeeeeeeet!

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Cameron Crowe was writing for rolling stone when he was 14.

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But he was shite.

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Isn't there a writer at NME now that started when he was 15/16 a couple of years back?

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There's lots there now that write like average 15/16 year olds, if that helps?

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No, I mean actually IS that old.

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A 15 yr old writes for DiS. Wonder why he hasn't piped up yet ;)

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Yeah, that's exactly what I was gonna say. From what I can tell he's at least as proficient / knowledgable as anyone else on here, and his writing is consistently very good.

Of course there can be a 15-year old critic. There's a lot of young people out there who put some of the unimaginative, cliched crap that I see so often from older writers to shame.

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as long as someones got a passion for what they write about, doesn't matter about the age. if its good its good. dont be so ageist!
x

Re: Can there be a 15 year old Critic?

It is arguable that you are more likely to think you know everything and be annoyingly opinionated when you are young, but then that's part of what makes music criticism work - more enthusiasm and passion than measured calculation.

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amen, i like to think i have an open mind and it just so happens i am 15 but without differing oppinions imagine how boring these message boards would be, its young kids falling in love with music that ensure there will be the older people in love with music someday. All you old people where once young too.

Re: Can there be a 15 year old Critic?

what exactly can i say?

yes, yes i'm 15
and yes i'm a critic

but i'll stop sharking a minute to get back to my limp bizkit album :p

but seriously...i know a few people my age who write reviews and all that, for school papers or on websites and all that...they're not bad articles. even with a limited knowledge of music, you can still at least *try* and be a critic - you just have to compare it to what you know, and talk about the music honestly.

or something like that.

alex
xxx

Re: Can there be a 15 year old Critic?

If you think about it,a lot of the normal album reviews in NME are just a 100 words or so. Thats really not much, and you wouldn't need even to write about the songs much to do that, just pontificate about the band, their genre, the people, the influences, put a few half-arsed metaphors in there and that.

Go on epinions.com and there's lot of people from all ages, all backgrounds writing good, well-informed, often surreal and humorous reviews about music.

So yeh, 15/16 yr olds can write reviews and be critics.
THOM

Re: Can there be a 15 year old Critic?

Ok ok. The path I was going with that comment was not attended to steer all of you into the assumption that you cannot be passionate about music at a young age. But come on, that bullshit about his bashing on hippychick's profile was gay, and the fact of the matter is that musical tastes mature as you mature. What makes her music more wrong than anyone else? Thats like beating up gays just because you don't like them. There is a difference between critiqing and being cynical. Maturity in your life is what brings you from being cynical into someone who can judge music at a different aspect.

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This first argument put forth in this thread is inherently flawed because it assumes all people of a certain age are in possession of the same critical faculties\amount of musical knowledge and ignores the differing approaches people have to 'criticism' and the various understandings of what it should constitute. Some people don't enjoy analysing things, some do; some people think writing about music should be esoteric and intriguing, others think... you know the score.

On a personal level, I think my music writing has deteriorated over the last two years because I began to approach it on a much more - I hate to use the word but here it is besides - 'academic' level, and this has led to my pieces being supercilious and - well - sort of boring. It's something I'm going to try and work in the future; dissemination is fine but it has to co-exist with passion and vigour. An ordinary album shouldn't breed an ordinary review - a good writer can make an ordinary album the subject of something corruscating and vital: "it makes me want to vomit and throw the vomit at them".

As people have pointed out lots already, this is all removed from the age of a critic and the post was a knee-jerk, as it were - so I apologise for the digression (missive, whatever). On a more positive slant, who're peoples' favourite music writers? Lately I've been enjoying the work of Amanda Petrusich, Chris Ballard - in fact, a group of people from the soon to be Plan B magazine - and I rather enjoyed Nadine McBay's Morrissey review currently featured here.

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Christ, I really lost my shit there. 'Coruscating'.

'As people have pointed out lots already, this is all removed from the age of a critic and the post was a knee-jerk' = Everything that I wrote in this paragraph is irrelevant in regard to the age of a critic and I realise the orginal post in this thread was a knee-jerk reaction.

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Re: Can there be a 15 year old Critic?

Um, did i just see that? how stupid is this gotthrice? he just used "gay" as an insult and then had a mini rant about homophobia. Anyway, I would prefer to liten to the music I do, which is aparently immature than be "mature" and listen to Sting or Dido as most middle aged people seem to do in this country.

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*listen to Sting or Dido as most middle aged people seem to do in this country*

who's ageist now?

(p.s. i started writing here when i was 16.)

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I assume you highlighed coruscating as it means shining with light, excoriating was the word that you were probably looking for

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I highlighted coruscating because I spelt it incorrectly. The word does mean flashing brightly but can also be used to infer that something is clever or amusing. Excoriating would have worked too, though.

Yawn.

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And who are you to judge? Considering you're asking us if we've 'got thrice,' I'm not inclined to think highly of your music sense.

Good Lord. Thrice. That band should be shot. Then burned. Then the ashes should be burnt. Then their ghost will, hopefully, be all that's left of that rubbish.

And I've been criticizing music since age 15, what's it to you? Oh, wait, you mean a critic. Sorry, I'm 17 and doing a damn good job as a critic, thank you.

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Oh, and who are YOU to judge, ourobourosrat? At least gotthrice is willing to commit himself and name actual bands that he likes in his profile, as opposed to just sticking down a load of cool-sounding genres that could mean anything you want them to mean.

I remember what I was like when I was 17, and it makes me cringe. Now I see what some other people are like at 17 - and it makes me cringe!

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and who the fuck are you ourobourosrat to decide you're a "damn good critic", eh?! I feel that's for others to be the judge of, not yourself. especially at 17....
Spose 'intellectual rap' is superior to 'stoopid rap' too...
Carry on...

Re: Can there be a 15 year old Critic?

gotthrice...so he's 15. and he may disagree with your music tastes. but is that not possibly all the more reason to make him a critic? after all what is a good critic anyway? surely just someone one who shares the opinions you do.

i think it is necessary to have an amount of critics WITH different tastes. view the picture from all angles so to speak.

who knows, the fact that he IS only 15 and possibly isn't as musically experienced as he might be doesn't really matter as he's is a representative of a particular clique.

he has an opinion which in one sense automatically makes him a critic. and but at least he's gone and found the music he likes rather than accepting whatever is pushed in his face such as the fucking rasmus. how many 15 year olds do you know who listen to his music?

i think he knows more about music than you think he does, youre only 5 years older than him. its necessary i think to have a critic from that agegroup. what are they (we) really thinking? the ones that is who can be bothered to take an active interest anyway.

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Hmm, lessee, because I'm not the sort of person to spend enough time online that I can actually sit down and write out the bands I like?

Besides, that's the point. They mean whatever the hell I want them to mean. I could give a list of bands, but that's a waste of my time and as far as I'm concerned a waste of yours. Define my favorite genres for yourself. I really don't give a shit.

And I'm a damn good critic, yes, but the writers for DiS have got me beat. There, I'm being humble.

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Humble? You would be humble to say that you are probably not a good critic at all. I'll admit it: I could not sit at the same table with people from Spin or any other music magazine and start spilling out what I like and what I don't like. Why's that? CAUSE EVERYONE HAS DIFFERENT TASTES!!!! What pisses me off is when people believe that they can JUDGE (key word) others TASTES (another key word) and then continue to tell them that their TASTES suck. Thats being CYNICAL, not CRITICAL. Wanna be a critic? Rate bands you like and dislike. Cause you are not being a critic by making fun of other's TASTES.

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And come on ourobourorat. Tell me this: why would you consider Thrice to be a band that whould quote, "be shot. Then burned. Then the ashes should be burnt. Then their ghost will, hopefully, be all that's left of that rubbish."? Thats trash man, but hey, maybe you have a good reason for hating them. I'll tell you why I like them. Teppi is the best modern day guitarist (opinion, remember), Dustin has a very unique voice, and their lyrics and music are the most technical and original I've yet to hear in 2000+. Again, I'm critiqing them on what I like. How come you hate them soo much?

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Because the only thing that's getting radio play out here, and thus my only exposure to them, is that mess of a song known as "All That's Left." Dustin's lyrics are good, I'll give them that, but it's kind of hard for me to care when I've already heard the sound before. It just sounds like Saves the Day all over again, or a little bit less poppy New Found Glory. Teppi's guitars don't really sound all that good--precise and well-executed, yes, but nothing terribly unique.

Perhaps some of their earlier stuff is better--apparently they have more albums under their belts than I thought--but their current efforts have failed to impress me, and then to have people hawking them as the "next big thing" just irks me even more. That and I'm presonally not a big fan of the pop-punk, emo/screamo genre. Unless it's REALLY good, I tend to avoid listening to such bands, as there's just something about them that gets on my nerves.

I really don't hate them so much, I guess. Not nearly as much as I loathe Simple Plan. Don't like to hear people whining when they sing.

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Definently a good call. I also understand that music played on the radio only ruins a band. But that can't be the case......yet atleast. I still see them as being the same technical band they were when the Illusion of safety came out, but a bit more mature. All That's Left is still pretty techincal at parts, its more power chords than technical though. The rest of the CD though is still awesome, especially the lyrics. But they cannot be considered the emo/screamo genre. One things for sure: Simple Plan is in the same genre with Brittney Spears and Backstreet Boys. They are just sorry.




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