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Somewhere Only We Moan: Why I Hate Keane

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by Neil Robertson
Artists: Keane

Alan McGee was too kind to Coldplay.

When the guy behind the last scene-shattering label in Britain branded Chris Martin’s bland, clueless college-pop as ‘bed-wetter music,’ he missed the chance to truly tear into one of the most miserable excuses for an indie band that we’ve seen since the fucking Bluetones.

It’s a shame, because in the years that have followed, McGee’s Poptones label has slithered into oblivion while million-selling Martin’s boring, nice-boy rock now threatens to smother a music scene already crippled by the paralytic presence of angst-cobbled acne-rock (Linkin Park and Papa Roach), the shallow folksy dawdlings of Travis and the fashion-mag friendly scene-obsession of nu-garage.

Sure, I hate lazy comparisons. I’d love to blow apart every half-assed journalist who simply glanced over their press-release, heard the first insipid strains of Somewhere Only We Know and casually dubbed Keane the New Coldplay.

But are you sure you’ve never seen this before?

Just look at the evidence: the gooey-eyed admiration of Jo Whiley; the token ‘indie’ release with Fierce Panda that’s now reissued on a major and rotated on Radio 2 between Diana Krall and The fucking Corrs; pimping themselves around the student circuit hoping single Smiths fans will ‘get’ their sorrow-strewn piano dirges. It’s as though they read the book on How To Have Chart Success Even If You’re A Gutless Floppy-Fringed Virgin and followed its instructions to the letter.

Trouble is, Keane are joyriding on a wave of Sunday-morning student sorrow that erupted ever since Radiohead released Ok Computer and has been slowly diluted and deformed ever since to make it more manageable for the mass market. In the case of Travis, Coldplay, Haven, Starsailor and now Keane, this means that we’ve been force-fed bands with no desire to inspire or set fire to minds, just mumble meaninglessly in the kind of faulty falsetto that would make even the late Jeff Buckley hurl his guitar and tell them to stop whinging about their invented ex-girlfriends.

This isn’t indie snobbery; this is genuine despair at how long people are willing to go on devouring the same trite production-line lite-indie innocuousness in the face of a music scene that’s showing itself to be more exciting and diverse than it’s ever been.

And no, Keane aren’t a ‘bad’ band. They’re not interesting enough for that. But their sheer okay-ness, their inane niceness and inability to emote anything in their songs other than reciting a bunch of bland clichés about half-felt emotions is what should make them so utterly offensive. Music is supposed to incite reaction. Stir-up passion. And if a band can’t raise anything more than an apathetic shrug, then they should be hurled onto a burning pyre along with the rest of the say-nothing celeb-age crap.

So if you ever see singer Tom Chaplin and the rest of his gurning geek-boy friends shuffling around some indie disco looking for a tortured soul to write sad songs about, please tell him to take his drowned-rat whine, his hysterical, pompous grandeur and his snivelling, sobbing, guitar-less nappy rock back to his bedroom where it belongs.

We shouldn’t have to ‘make do’ with this. Music deserves better. Let’s hope someone delivers soon…

Later in the week, Anthony Gibbons explains why he loves Keane.



Somewhere Only We Moan: Why I Hate Keane

What's the point? OK, I like the band. But what if I didn't? How many bands are there out there? Thousands? Why an article of this nature on this particular band, even if there's going to be one stating the opposite view later on... and I'm no more interested to read that either.

I thought Drowned in Sound was supposed to be the decent alternative to the NME.

Anyway, now you congratulate me on being the first person to rise to the bait and go back to your Ribena.

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'Anyway, now you congratulate me on being the first person to rise to the bait and go back to your Ribena'

I was going to reply and say how I was always happy to see The Bluetones mentioned because I love them but then I thought it would sound a bit weird.

How is he to know that people don't like Keane AND whatever bands he thinks are worthy anyway? It's not like there's a rule that people can only like one band or type of music, so the idea that people are accepting this and missing out on great stuff is pretty stupid

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the article's called "why i hate keane." it's one bloke's opinion. you can either agree or disagree. plus, i'm not saying because you like keane, you can't like the great stuff that's out there. i'm just saying that this shit is obscuring all the great stuff that's out there at the moment. i ain't judging anyone's taste. just saying i think it's fucking awful

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yes. yes. there are thousands of bands in the world. hundreds of thousands even.

there are millions of people trying to make honest, passionate, sincere music. and who is it that's getting a huge, major-label budget to spread their pathetically formulaic indie-tripe? keane.

see... under your argument, no-one would write anything about any band apart from impartial reviews, and no-one would get excited or angry about music to the extent that they're moved to write about it. DiS is willing to do that. which makes it a decent alternative to the NME.

besides, the point is not "rising to the bait." the point is about having a debate. congratulations anyway. i'll go back to my ribena now..

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>see... under your argument, no-one would write anything about any band apart from impartial reviews, and no-one would get excited or angry about music to the extent that they're moved to write about it.

Not at all. By all means write a dismissive review of their records. But as the article was just about why you hated them (full stop) I wanted to know why you had chosen that particular band. At least you give your reason...

>there are millions of people trying to make honest, passionate, sincere music. and who is it that's getting a huge, major-label budget to spread their pathetically formulaic indie-tripe? keane.

...but heck, even if you dislike Keane, record companies are guilty of far worse crimes. Why not an article on record companies? Or the naive playlisting policies of Radio 1? Or the insulting conservatism of most local radio stations? OK, perhaps those have been done to death... but they're still relevant to a lot of the problems faced in giving a break to good bands (for the record, my tastes go all over the place, and I like a lot of the stuff listed in your profile). But as you chose a band, I just wondered... why Keane?

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"why Keane?"

*i would guess* because they're popular, they're the next breakthrough band, because they divide opinion quite greatly among DiS 'staff', and because by this time next week they will more than likely have a no. 1 album.

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Just took a quick look at your profile - can't quite reconcile this comment...

>the fashion-mag friendly scene-obsession of nu-garage

... and the fact that you like The Strokes. Genius.

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but... i hate all the other stuff that's come out to capitalise on & emulate the strokes, just as i hate all the other stuff that's come out to capitalise on & emulate radiohead (ie keane). so you can kinda reconcile those comments...

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aren't the strokes "capitalising" on the rolling stones or something?

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i think the clearest and inevitable retort to why people hate keane is that they're likely to be popular - very popular. people either accept homogeneity or try to see themselves as individuals, whether it's true or not.

i hate keane and coldplay because they're lowest common denominator - everyone likes them. to some people that means they're universal; to others it means they're inoffensive and don't need brains or thought to like. it's all just down to your own interpretation of what you think music should be i guess. they'll always be bands like flipping starsailor no matter how strong the protestations.

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To be honest, whilst I normally dont go for articles stating one individuals opinion on any given band, I checked this one out because Neil had written it. I don't think there is any issue about "trying to make people rise to the bait" - that is not why this is written. We need people writing about music, who GENUINELY care. I personally agree whole-heartedly with the article. The sort of people who like Keane are the sort of people who listen to radio1 - they like keane/coldplay etc. because that is only "alternative" music that daytime radio1 will play. If people would look below what the mainstream media GIVES THEM, they would be genuinely surprised. To give a shit example, my dad used to like coldplay - I gave him a whole load of other stuff to listen to instead - stuff like palace music, bright eyes, elliot smith - he could not believe he had never heard of them before once he had listened to them. My problem is therefore, that people see Keane and Coldplay as the genuine fore-runners in british "indie" music, reasoning that popularity = quality. It's not. Obviously, this is just my opinion, and there will always be people who genuinely love Keane, for example, and will have no desire to look any deeper. I just think that an article like this should be read, and should be written, and shouldn't be seen by Keane fans as negative, just as I didnt see the "why i hate bright eyes/conor oberst" article as negative. If it encourages people to look at different music to that which mainstream radio plays, all the better.

Right, that probably makes no sense, but I have been drinking!

Adam (The Ambers Band)

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'The sort of people who like Keane are the sort of people who listen to radio1 - they like keane/coldplay etc. because that is only "alternative" music that daytime radio1 will play'

According to this site, based on 50 people who said they liekd Keane, they mainly also liked Pony Club, Fountains Of Wayne, Woodstar, Franz Ferdinand and Silver Sun, only 2 of whom have ever got radio 1 daytime play as far as I know.

Of course, it might just take whatever the first people said rather than the most common (I'm not sure) in which case that doesn't prove anything at all, nevermind

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but why would people who like radio one come to this website. no fish-faced dave pearce 'rolling another fat one' (the twat).

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yeah i thought about re-phrasing that radio1 comment, but couldnt be arsed. obviously im generalising, but you cannot deny that the reason why keane are popular is because of mainstream press championing. anyway, I have no massive gripe with keane as a band THEMSELVES - i merely share the view that there are many other more worthy bands who should be in their place - but again this is just my view. lastly, radio1 is not solely dave "roll another fat one" pearce, and his ilk. let us not forget that radio1 is home to the mighty peel. who wouldnt play keane for love nor money i would imagine. il watch the radio1 generalisations if you do :)

Adam

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I thought Keane were utter tripe when I saw them for, not the first time, at Reading last year
As did some of my chums
I still do
except now they're gonna be famous
as my chums and I predicted
except that is the reason I think they're utter tripe
or so people like you tell me

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I think three of those bands have had daytime airplay on radio 1. although i dont listen to it anymore.

and im not sure how the ratings thing works on this site. cos i've seen bands with only a few ratings, and there seems to be something mroe complicated than just adding up the ratings everyone has given them gonig on...

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It picks them at random, basically.

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'If it encourages people to look at different music to that which mainstream radio plays, all the better.'

The article doesn't actually suggest any alternatives at all though, which I think is probably the worst thing about it. A site saying 'Oh, if you like Keane you'll probably like Elliot Smith, you can listen to his music here' and then letting people make up their own minds would surely do a lot more good for converting people to other music than saying 'if you like Keane you're a twat' essentially

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quite an innovative article. if making a ridiculously sized effort to not offend keane and keep chummy with them (the way you kept saying that it would be responded to later this week etc. was pathetic).
so, dull and a sign of boring mainstream conform to get this to get that bollocks in that respect.
the actual writing was good and clever, not just 'keane are shite because the lead singer has a fat face and they're in the charts'.
oh, and coldplay are great.

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thanks for your kind words. but i do think it's only fair that someone on the site should get the chance to write about why they like the band. after all, this site's all about different opinions & stuff. but yeah, glad you liked it

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i see exactly where you're coming from, i hate keane with a passion, but its not because they're popular - o personally have no problem with coldplay - the fact that i prefer the blue room ep and parachutes to a rush of blood has nothing to do with its popularity, it's to do with the fact that it's better. if something is good, then of course, if it gets heard by the right people, it will be recognised, but there is a lot of stuff out there that isn't recognised yet, and we have to push it until it is.
however, i whole-heartedly disagree with anyone who says something is pap just because it's popular - the example that keeps coming to mind is from posteverything.com, specifically the sackbutt blues section (heres a snippet) -

'It’s not that we hate Radiohead and their ilk, it’s just we prefer not to even acknowledge their existence. Nobody who truly loves music - who lives for it - would ever like such a band, because to do so would be to admit that your taste is that of the middlemass. The middlemass is not where life-affirming magic dwells. Rather, it lurks at the margins and at the extremes; it loiters in the dark, when you’re at your lowest - or highest; and it hangs around down the bus stop or your local pub, telling you about the time it used to be in the SAS.'

now, the bit towards the end is good - but to say that those who live for music can't like such a band as radiohead - come on now. so far, all i can see of their 'life-affirming music at the extremes' is Wire, who are faaaaar from acceptable.

sorry about the tangent, i'm on a lot of antibiotics as my weblog will tell you.

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what the fuck are you going on about?
how can you possibly compare Radiohead to Wire?
do you have a point at all? you appear to have written a huge post and not said anything of any relevence, in fact not really anything at all

also as far as the whole popular music thing goes, its just naive to think that if people who like it heard less mainstream stuff then they'd like it because they usually aren't actually interested in music what so ever. Its a sad fact but they dont want music to inspire passion or anything, they just want a nice, easy to manage soundtrack that they can buy at HMV or somewhere.

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'also as far as the whole popular music thing goes, its just naive to think that if people who like it heard less mainstream stuff then they'd like it because they usually aren't actually interested in music what so ever'

Do the kids who will be interested in 'passionate' music just suddenly go from not being interested in music at all to loving tiny indie bands with no in between step then? Is that what happened to you?

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good point
however, this is a generalisation but the people who like bands like keane generally dont seem to be that young. Isn't stuff like coldplay and travis & stuff generally bought by what marketting people describe as 'the £30 man' or something? - middle aged blokes with a reasonable ammount of money and a comfortable lifestyle who spend a certain ammount on music.
I was lucky in that I have been exposed to good music my whole life so I guess maybe I was overlooking a whole load of people who have to get into interesting music via more 'accessable' stuff. I will take that comment back concerning younger people or people who are, in the grand scale of things, just on the road to really getting interested in music

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Wire 'far from acceptable'? Get well soon.. :)

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Yeah they sound shite. Can't say I've heard them. I find myself unable to really care though... provided there's good music out there for me to listen to, and I dont have bland shit thrust in my face all the time, then good luck to them. Someone out there must like it if they're doing well. Just hope we can get to the jukebox in the pub before that 'someone', eh? :)

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"Yeah they sound shite. Can't say I've heard them."

Hmm.

I'll let someone else comment on that one.

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I mean... sound shite, from neil's description! although I wouldn't be surprised if they literally sounded shite aswell.

Have heard them at some point just not known who it was and not cared enough to ask... there seems to be a lot of that kinda stuff around

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I'm not making much sense am I. blah. too late.

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look how many posts its generated. Job well done. Cynics may set out to think, it was a ploy. A coy trap to generate indifference. But im sure its just one guys opinion. ;)

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Why Keane? They're bland, dreary shit. That's why. Music can be great. Not grating.

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they're hardly the most exciting forward thinking world changing act in the world, but to me this entire piece just stinks of someone trying desperately to raise a reaction by attacking something, when in fact most people i know have moved on from giving a shit about if keane are any good or not.

contrary to popular belief, you dont HAVE to hate every band that breaks the mainstream in a tirade of blandness. you can be utterly indifferent, not try and wind people up just for the sake of it, and like what you like.

though i admit, that would probably make the worst copy ever, so therefore negates everything i just typed. as usual.

carry on.

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I fucking hate them too. good work.

Somewhere Only We Moan: Why I Hate Keane

I fucking hate them too. good work.

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my dad was in the last Keane video, he said that the piano player was a very nice chap, but thought that the music was a bit boring.
Didn't have anything to say about the singer's fleshy jowls though. I say he's got a nice voice and I think the guy who writes the stuff has a way with melodies. It's not going to change the world but then not many people [qualifications: mainstream success rock] seem to be interested in doing new things at the moment. mind you if Keane are to Billy Joel/Elton John what The Strokes are to Iggy Pop/Television then I can't really blame anyone for not liking Keane!

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Hating Keane is like hating Busted or Robbie Williams or Ashanti or something. It may be a perfectly noble cause (I disagree), but Keane is still pop. It's not indie, rock, post-hardcore screemo, prog-core or anything like that. They're just songs to sing along to. And I've always been a bit baffled why DiS have raved about them so much...they don't seem to be much of a DiS-ey band. maybe that's a good thing?

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Coz some DiS kidz like pop, they're just too afraid to admit it, but it's OK to like Keane because they're uglier than your normal pop group. ;-)
Or something.
I dunno; I just got up.

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As for the lead singer, he's a mighty charismatic - if utterly dickish - frontman.

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I really don't see the point...

as opposed to championing some new band, you (given the title) ironically whine/moan about a band that have already received a large amount of airplay.

Stupidly your ramblings will not influence people to join your malicious course...as no doubt they will have been unable to escape the airplay and exposure this band have received and hence made up their own minds.

So, you waste time and effort on a band (and also it would seem a 'bland movement') when you could be introducing people to the underplayed, deserving, innovative, interesting bands that you say are being forced into the shadows; discarded and forgotten.

To me your article is hypocritical and pointless, and i recommend you try spending your time and effort in a more constructive fashion.

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i don't think it's pointless
i think it's quite entertaining
and this site has to have some entertaining articles, yesno?

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I agree and disagree.

Keane are not as good as many bands out there.

Keane do not deserve the negative attention they're getting as here as many other artists do.

Leave Keane alone, they're indiffent.

Kill Robbie Williams.

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Quite right, Keane don't deserve the negative attention. They don't deserve ANY attention.

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it's entertaining how misguided the author is to think that he's gonna change the music scene with this hypocritical monotonous boring drivel.

like i said quit wasting time with Keane, and suggest something positive.


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Yeah, Keane are pretty shite, but dont forgot that other bouey of campus-bound hopelessness; the grey cardboard sunday pop of 'Snow Patrol'.

Music to watch car crashes by.
And suicides.
And golf.


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Michaela Annot & Tim Scudder & Adie Nunn love Keane.
Neil Robertson hates Keane.

A look at all 4 profiles shows why.

Can we forget about Keane now, or realise that we should have done it now rather than in 6 months?

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"A look at all 4 profiles shows why."

Do expand on this theory, please...

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Neil i dunno if youve looked at the lyrics to somewhere only we know... but theres not one single suggestion that theyre moaning... at all. snivelling snobbling... what...? at last we have a band with a singer who can actually sing and now theyre getting knocked?

sure, i hate lazy categorizations. why is it that everytime a singer sings at a certain pitch they have to be dubbed as depressing. if you want to have a dig at the current music scene, theres a whole host of shitty retro bands queuing up to be shitted on but yet that this, and so many other sites seem intent on worshipping. what worries me far more is what the darkness and kings of leon have done for british music. i welcome ok computer spin offs with open arms. if youre gonna copy someone, it may as well be the best.

as far as im concerned, somewhere only we know is the best song which has had any major success this year.

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What have Kings Of Leon got to do with British music?

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well, they might influence it.

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Oh God, will all you people shut up? Neil should have written the article about all of you being moany old sods. This is a well-written, entertaining piece about a band who polarise opinions mightily - which is why there's gonna be a return article, presumably. Congratulations to all of you for noticing it's one person's opinion - give yourselves a big pat on the back! Is that not the whole point of music criticism? Is the idea not for one commentator to articulate their opinions on a given artist or work in a well-argued, entertaining fashion? Is it not even better that we're getting two of these pieces to read, something which would never normally happen in a music mag environment?

For what it's worth I think Keane are bearable. But that's not the issue at stake here: the point is that you shouldn't even bother reading these articles if you're opinions are really what you say they are.


...Oh and by the way, I'm aware of the irony of ranting on a message board as a way of complaining about people ranting on message boards. So don't even bother pointing it out ;)

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is it not the idea of these message boards to discuss what has been written...? sorry mate i lost your point

"the point is you shouldnt even bother reading these articles if your opinions are really what you say they are"

but um... didnt you just advocate different ppl expressing opinions...? we're only doing the same... im sticking up for a band i like :)

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Ah sorry...maybe my fault for not making myself clear enough...

My reference to "opinions" was not a reference to opinions of the band (like I said, I don't mind them that much myself) but opinions of music criticism...you know, the "no-one cares what you think why even bother posting this article?" sort of posts that aren't actually discussing what was written, but are just poorly-argued rants by people who happened to like the band who were getting cussed. If you hate reading "one person's opinion", you shouldn't even read the articles...that was what I was trying to say :)

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Aaaagggh.... "you're opinions"...sorry...

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''Congratulations to all of you for noticing it's one person's opinion - give yourselves a big pat on the back! ''
i gave myself 10 pints.
keane are alright, its nice to listen too and snooze to. but like the reviewer says its not pushing any boundaries or attempting to be different. (which more times than not makes intersting music)
completely off topic 'meatloaf - dead ringer for love'
has the same trumpet at the start (riff i suppose) as oasis - round our way. go listen the very start of the song 'dead ringer for love' has the same bit as in 'round our way (da da da da-da) the birds our singing.'
anyone else here it? or anyone else care, or do you care about how great/lame keane are?

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im not bothering to read it all.but yeah. i'd like to stick a pole up kean's arse.
x

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This thread sure has been popular.

For a start Keane don't even count as indie or rock. THEY DON'T HAVE GUITARS! They should be seen as pop, and as a glorified boy band. Tom Chaplin needs a personality transplant, as he seems as soft as shit.

People moan about the whole *new garage* scene ( You know the bands, I'm not going to explain it for you). But theyr'e surely better and have more energy, ideas, and although it pains me to say it *rockingness* than the likes of Coldplay, Snow Patrol and the atrocious Keane.

Rant ended.
THOM