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Joy Zipper: American Whip

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by Neil Robertson
  • Type: Album
  • Release date: 15/03/2004
  • Label: Vertigo

It’s all about image. Vincent Cafiso and Tabitha Tindale look like a pair of bohemian heroes; the type of beatnik technophiles who probably met over bottled beer in some over-crowded style bar and came to christen their love with a collection of lucid, blissed-out narcotica. With their baroque pop melodies muddied by doses of drone and distortion, the duo also succeed in creating a stylish – if unoriginal – soundclash between gorgeous, melodic reverie and strung-out, noise-ridden tension. Problem is, when you feel beneath the record’s facile surface, Joy Zipper’s second full-length seems depressingly lacking in substance.

Originally slated for release last year, in the past twelve months, the Long Island duo have seen their sound mined and mimicked by the likes of M83 and a newly-resurgent Air; taking the same tuneful static fuzz and sonic-gimmickry of My Bloody Valentine, yet furnishing it more finely-tuned sense of feeling than was ever seen on Joy Zipper's debut.

On American Whip, they've done little to redeem themselves. Sure, the doctored guitars, fairytale strings and nauseous male/female harmonies make the likes of “In The Never Ending Search For A Suitable Enemy” a perfectly inoffensive listen, but there’s a real superficiality here; the sense that the group is perfectly capable of conjuring an aesthetic, yet unable to build on this in terms of either musical complexity or tangible emotion.

Take how “Baby You Should Know” sounds like something off Loveless, only wiped of the grime, the noise, the soul and fire that made MBV’s final flourish such a dense masterpiece. Then see how the line “I love you more than the rain in springtime” on “Christmas Song” is delivered with all the romance of sending your lover a fax on Valentines Day. It’s not simply that the album sacrifices one factor for another; it lacks any real depth whatsoever.

But what really infuriates here is that it’s not even a particularly bad record. Throughout your listening, you want to churn out clichés claiming the album’s packed with ‘good production;’ that the songs are ‘well constructed.’ You can even forgive the gutlessly vague drugs references on “Dosed and Became Invisible” and instead notice how the swathes of synth strings, soft horn and the lazy, drawled out vocals of Vincent Cafiso make it a perfect summer mix-tape tune.

But it’s simply not enough. In the end, Joy Zipper are the type of band that think shrouding their songs in a sheet of sub-Kevin Shields drone, drugged-up affectations and bastardised Bacharach melodies makes their pedestrian pop sound urgent, vital and ‘edgy.’ It doesn’t. It sounds hopelessly contrived; a style-magazine mock-up of a dozen influences that’s then drowned in the kind of emotionally disconnected, non-committal ‘cool’ that might look great on glossy fashion pages, but seems flaccid and lightweight when translated into music.

It’s all about image. But with a stunted and soulless second album, Joy Zipper just leave us gazing at a blank canvas.

  • Joy Zipper 5 / 10

Joy Zipper - American Whip

i cant believe this review. this album is beyond sublime! 2 and a half is just harshness. "all about image"?

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well in that case, i'm glad you liked it. i just couldn't get past what i saw was a real superficiality in the record. if you look beyond the musical 'niceness' (and since when has mere niceness been enough to make a record good?), all you've got is a load of sub-My Bloody Valentine songs, albeit stripped of the tension between noise and beauty that made MBV great, and peppered with loads with go-nowhere melodies and pseudo drugs references, just to give the record some supposed 'edge.'

in my opinion, the stuff on Gooom records (M83 et al) does this shit so much better and sounds less contrived.

but that's just my opinion. each to their own & all that..

neil

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should also just point out that 2 & a half stars is exactly half marks... which means while i don't love the record, i don't hate it either. i just found it depressingly average.

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yeh thats all good mate, wasnt trying to have a pop at all!! i do get the depressingly average feeling about a lot of music about these days, and it was a good review.
just thought id give my two pennies worth.

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yeah, that's cool. after all, discussion's what the site's all about - it's why we have that "post your own comment" button! glad you liked the review.

neil

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you are a twat with little flair for writing. album is sublime

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Joy Zipper 'American Whip' (4/5)

A beautiful album... well worth checking out

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i take it you didn't read the post below about how it was refreshing to have an intelligent debate then?!

last time i checked, not believing an album to be very good doesn't make someone a twat, and by the sounds of it, the only reason you think i've little flair for writing is because you don't agree with me. which is just a little silly really, isn't it?

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sorry i was haughty - you are not a twat!

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that's okay. and as for the 'little flair for writing' thing... well, i once had a university lecturer who said i wrote essays like a Woman's Own journalist, so who knows.. you may have a point..

neil

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This is the most intelligently constructed review I've read on this site yet. So you're wrong on that score as well.....

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I have to say I don't get it either, I realy love this album it makes me smile and feel happy. The music is more worthy of 2 and a half.

Joy Zipper - American Whip

Wonderful! Irrespective of the music, I am truly thrilled to see actual mature debate on a subject rather than the usual" Your talking shit, no your talking shit you dickhead, you're a gay, your mom's a gay" . It's heart warming, it really is.

As fro Joyzipper I saw them support Air and wasn't too thrilled, there sound was muddy and although the harmonies pleasant a sort of mutant bastard of MBV, Beach Boys and Breeders was what sprung to mind. A messy bastard at that. Buuuut then I heard single Baby You Should Know I was suitably impressed, sure it wasn't the shuddering orgasm I had when hearing Sigur Ros for the first time but good, y'know good good

Guess Im just gonna have to try that album or maybe just by more MBV records...

Joy Zipper - American Whip

I have to say I think the M83 comparisons are a bit tenuous... yeah M83 are a brilliant band, but these are completely different records, I can see the obvious MBV comparisons, but in some ways, M83 sound so much like Kevin Shields its not funny ('Untitled' vs 'Only Shallow' anyone?)

I think this is a pretty record, and suffers because of it. Lacks a bit of bite and darkness that you know there but only pops up occasionally on tracks like"drugs" which sounds like shit scary twisted nursery rhyme.

Definitely potential. But no 'shuddering orgasm' (wouldn't like to stand next to you at a gig mate)


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I'd agree with you that M83 are far more MBV-sounding than Joy Zipper - but couldn't that just be because they're far better at it than Joy Zipper?!

What I trying to put across in the article was that they're both essentially children of Kevin Shields in that they're both trying to make the same distorted, hallucinogenic pop that MBV did so well. Perhaps M83 sound so similar because they're much more expansive, affecting and interesting on record than Joy Zipper are on 'American Whip??'

Still, you've gotta agree that those M83 comparisons still work better than those Beach Boys comparisons you always hear with reference to Joy Zipper, right?!

Thanks for your comments

Neil

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I think M83 are *better* than joy zipper... but I think Joy Zipper aren't trying to make the music MBV made.

To me it sounds a bit like that track The Jesus & Mary Chain did with Hope Sandoval: 'sometimes always'... only, y'know. Not as good.




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Mmmm, not sure you're really getting the point here are you.... STOP COMPARING EVERYBODY TO SOMEBODY ELSE.... Influence is such an inportant part of music and to say that M83 & Joy Zipper are Kevin shields children is utter twaddle!... Making a fuzz, garage, din racket and adding some beauty is by no means Kevin's unique idea!!! It just happens that they did it bloody well!!! (sorry could not resist that!). Nobody seems to have noticed that the unique component in the MBV recordings was kevin's guitar playing and production.... had say, Scott Litt produced MBV then it would probably have sounded like the Joy Zipper record, see what I am driving at??!!...... Influence is the only thing that can really push new music forwards and I think Joy Zipper should be proud of the record they have made, regardless of who or what people think it 'sounds like'. I think it sounds very good!.....

Joy Zipper - American Whip

Neil,

I'd be interested to know how many times you listened to the album. My reaction upon first listen, was similar to yours: nice enough but doesn't really grab me. So I decided as I am revising for uni finals it would be a perfect to revise to, not distracting you see.

But after three or four listens it has really grown on me, and whilst I probably would have given it 3/5 originally i'd bump that up to 4/5 now. Although I am tempted to knock off 1/2 a point for the dodgy 'alzheimers' track complete with granny samples!

p.s i doubt it was Joy Zipper's fault that the album release was delayed for so long, so the critcisms that there are now a few bands out there doing similar things may be a bit unfair. Although I don't know the chronology of whod did what first of the bands you mention, so feel free to pick me up on that.

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no, it's not Joy Zipper's fault that their record got delayed. my point was that when you stand it besides other similar-sounding records that have been released around the same time, it just sounds a little limp and tame in comparison.

as for how long i've listened to it, i'm always really careful not to review something unless i've really absorbed it. i wrote a review for another website giving the Adem (domino) album 8/10, but when i first heard it, i did think it was pretty bland. i honestly think i subjected the joy zipper record to the same amount of attention and... nothing. i'm listening to it now & i still can't find anything very praiseworthy to say about it.

Still, like i said earlier, I'm only here to write my opinion in the best way I can. I doth not speak any gospel truth.

Neil

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I think the Zoy Zipper album is beautiful... but the Adem record 'Homesongs' (Domino)... Wow... truly breathtaking stuff!

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The Adem album cover artwork is pretty interesting... must be one of the most intruiging so far this year.

Joy Zipper - American Whip

Adem, yes.

I'll be reviewing it in the next few days.

hopefully all comments regarding the review will be liberal in their use of words like 'dickhead' and 'knob jockey'

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i too had this reaction with the JZ album.
'whats all the fuss about?'
but, i found myself going back to it.
again and again.
till its now part of my inner soul.

onwards !
mark e/ireallylovemusic

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what? no that was a well written review. and i stand by the fact that there needs to be more slagging off from DiS. And bands should just give up on trying to recreate loveless - it was great for its time but id like to think music has moved on somewhat since 1991. we are now, after all, in a post kid a age...

Joy Zipper - American Whip

but but but ..

the album is not just a rehash of loveless. i see some connections - but nowhere near an many people keep saying. tis far more a subtle beast.

onwards !
mark e/ireallylovemusic

Joy Zipper - American Whip

Hey all... How's we, hope all is good... Having just read all your points on the 'Joy Zipper' front I figured I too will pop in a few pennies worth.... First off, I really quite like Joy Zipper, and their new album is definatly a progression from their first one which can only be a good thing... Not sure why everybody keeps rattling on about MBV.. MBV don't make records anymore (shame that!) and yes, there are similarities but they are hardly treading on each others toes. Add to the fact the MBV recorded their material over 10 years previously and from what I can gather weren't fussed about commercial sales etc. Joy Zipper on the other hand are making records that do sound 'pretty'. Nice production, some original structure in places, ok, nothing that will stop the world spinning but it's hardly superficial or soulless! (Niel R). Having heard the first album before American Whip I'm glad to see that they have glossed the production slightly and tryed to move their sound on a bit. If anything I think they have taken some of the more beautiful aspects of MBV (or any of that boy-girl interplay, vocals etc) and moved it along some... Think how many dodgy male/female harmonies, vocals and what not that sound terrible!!! Joy Zipper have made it their formula and I think it's a good one!!.... No they are not My Bloody Valentine.... They are Joy Zipper, no they are not quite as ground-breaking as MBV were but again it was 10 years+ before... Kevin even helped them along so it's bound to have a little piece of MBV in the mix someplace.... Overall, I think we should let Joy Zipper be Joy Zipper and be grateful that somebody has a least filled part of the hole MBV left when they
dis-banded. The 'Out Of The Sun' remix on the 'Baby You Should Know' is a bloody :-) great track!!!..... We like the Zipper....... Let's hope their next release pushes forward a little bit further......